So... I was thinking of creating a Sumo type character. I was looking at a Human (Tien) as the race and would put him close to max weight and height limits for humans but past that am kinda torn between using Monk or Fighter. I know I need to be good at combat maneuvers...
Does anyone have any suggestions for what would constitute a good Sumo type character?
Monk of the Sacred Mountain and/or Stalwart Defender.
You stick yourself in one place and nothing can move you!
Monk of the Sacred Mountain and/or Stalwart Defender.
You stick yourself in one place and nothing can move you!
As unmovable as a mountain and nearly as big... heh. These are good suggestions and I'll keep them in mind.
However, when I think of a Sumo I think of a master of grappling and moving your enemy where you want them. As well... they can throw some pretty hefty hits.
Forget Monk or Fighter, go Human Barbarian. Brutal Pugulist Archetype from APG.
Take the Rage powers:
2nd: Knockback
4th: Knockdown
6th: Ground Breaker
8th: Overbearing Onslaught
10th: Overbearing Advance
12th: Come and Get Me
and the feats:
1st: Power Attack
1st: Imp. Unarmed Strike
3rd: Imp. Bull Rush
5th: Imp. Grapple
7th: Gtr. Bull Rush
9th: Gtr. Grapple
11th: Bull Rush Strike
and ya gotta call him E. Honda
;D
Personally I would probably aim for a huge amount of HP (high con, possible toughness feat) for the sumo, big tough bastards that just shrug off blows that would send other people to the floor... maybe that is just me though.
High int, imp unarmed strike, combat expertise and improved trip. :)
Here's a Fighter, but it's a bit over the top. Enjoy ;)
Feats:
1st: Power Attack
1st: Imp. Unarmed Strike
1st: Combat Expertise
2nd: Imp. Bull Rush
3rd: Imp. Grapple
4th: Imp. Trip
5th: Ki Throw
6th: Imp. Ki Throw
7th: Gtr. Grapple
8th: Imp. Reposition
9th: Gtr. Reposition
10th: Gtr. Bull Rush
11th: Bull Rush Strike
My first instinct was monk, but as I think about it, a fighter or fighter/monk is probably the better way to go.
When it comes down to it, a Sumo match is a formal duel. Outside the ring there's nothing I know of to say that a sumo wrestler couldn't (or sensibly wouldn't) wear some armor and carry a sword.
Well, originally the majority of sumo wrestler's were Samurai looking for extra coin. You could definitely still wear armour and wield a katana with 2 hands. Wicked concept, fer sure.
@Tanis - some very fun builds there. I'll have to take a closer look at those.
What is everyones opinion of the Empty Hand Monk variant from the APG? Think that might fit a Sumo style character?
PS- I'm mostly staying away from him having any weapons at least to start. Reason being, I'm thinking he'll be sort of a like an athlete from a respected Sumo stable to start his career off. Depending how how whichever DM I get to use the character with sets up his/her campaign, I'll work out a reason for him to begin adventuring.
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Feats:
1st: Power Attack
1st: Imp. Unarmed Strike
1st: Combat Expertise
2nd: Imp. Bull Rush
3rd: Imp. Grapple
4th: Imp. Trip
5th: Ki Throw
6th: Imp. Ki Throw
7th: Gtr. Grapple
8th: Imp. Reposition
9th: Gtr. Reposition
10th: Gtr. Bull Rush
11th: Bull Rush Strike
Yeah, I think the feats you suggested such as improved trip, improved reposition and the improved bullrush are very likely ones for a sumo to have for his profession. I guess it's a profession, but could also be a hobby/side gig.
Yeah, I think the feats you suggested such as improved trip, improved reposition and the improved bullrush are very likely ones for a sumo to have for his profession. I guess it's a profession, but could also be a hobby/side gig.
Profession or Job both work I guess. I have been reading up on Sumo a little HERE to educate myself. Apparently Sumo wrestlers can come from various backgrounds. There is also allot of ritual involved during a match. There is also ranking within the Sumo world. Also, Sumo live a very regimented life and live in "stables" with other Sumo.
So... I'm thinking that my Sumo PC is going to end up getting kicked from his stable for some reason.
The more and more I think on it... Tanis's fighter build seems the way to go.
I like the combat maneuver feats and especially the Ki Throw feats.
May I suggest that you take the Superior Unarmed Strike feat (Tome of Battle) if you do not select Monk as the primary class ?
This basically gives an unarmed damage that increases with levels, which is FAR more appealing to other characters who wish to fight unarmed but don't wnat to be a Monk.
Also, these are two feats that could fit a Sumo: Willing Deformy and Deformity (Obese). Yeah, I know, it's from the 3.0 Book of Vile Darkness... unless someone finds a trait that makes you overweight, that's all I can think of.
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May I suggest that you take the Superior Unarmed Strike feat (Tome of Battle) if you do not select Monk as the primary class ?
This basically gives an unarmed damage that increases with levels, which is FAR more appealing to other characters who wish to fight unarmed but don't wnat to be a Monk.
Also, these are two feats that could fit a Sumo: Willing Deformy and Deformity (Obese). Yeah, I know, it's from the 3.0 Book of Vile Darkness... unless someone finds a trait that makes you overweight, that's all I can think of.
The Improved Unarmed Strike feat is indeed a good suggestion and something I might consider.
A Sumo is not just "obese" true they pack on the weight, but the majority of that weight is a huge amount of muscle under the "flab". There really is not a need to take a feat to make a PC "obese" you can simply increase their weight near max for the race. Besides I'd rather not spend the two feats just to be "fat" even if I could get a bonus on Con.
The Improved Unarmed Strike feat is indeed a good suggestion and something I might consider.
Nah, he was talking about a 3.5 feat Superior US that is freakin insane btw.
*edit* and ask your DM if you can have the Monk's Robe back in the form of Monk's Belt as a Mawashi
The Improved Unarmed Strike feat is indeed a good suggestion and something I might consider.
Nah, he was talking about a 3.5 feat Superior US that is freakin insane btw.
*edit* and ask your DM if you can have the Monk's Robe back in the form of Monk's Belt as a Mawashi
Whoops... my bad... not sure why I typed Improved...when I meant to type Superior. I'm aware of the feat. Its in the Book of Nine Swords.