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A Graphical Representation

Will hit 60 at U-Con next month. 6 more months to get 40 more tables? No problem!.. (maybe)

The Exchange 5/5

Pre-Grats

I'm 13 away from my 2nd lol :)

Can't wait for U-Con

Grand Lodge 4/5

11 away from my second star. Not bad considering I started DMing PFS in late August of this year. Should be able to hit 2 stars by end of December, 3 stars by June 2011, and have my 4th before Paizocon 2012.

The Exchange 5/5

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I'm looking forward to some company, it's lonely up here on this mountaintop. And it takes forever to get pizza delivered up here.

The Exchange 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Mediterranean

Doug Miles wrote:
I'm looking forward to some company, it's lonely up here on this mountaintop. And it takes forever to get pizza delivered up here.

We're climbing that mountain ;-)

There are a couple of sessions from the first year not reported for me but now that I'm doing the reporting I'm confident everything gets on there. Just a couple of games away from the third star. Another UK GM (Rob Silk) has got his third star now. So hopefully see you up there soon!

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

Three stars and headed to #4. I expected to be there somewhere in the area of Origins '11, but I just got three new GM's added to my local roster. Awesome sauce for my local events, but could delay the final star. I can live with that, although I hear the pizza at 5-star is excellent ;-)

Grand Lodge 5/5 ****

I'm following just one step behind Thea. Still pretty much at the base of the mountain and I assume there will be a lot of GMs passing me on the way up.

But I'm here for the long run - patience, patience ...

Thod

Dark Archive 4/5

After Gamicon, I should have my 3rd star AND be well on my way to 4. Hoping to get my 4th star after Origins (hopefully judging the entire thing) but before GenCon

Scarab Sages 3/5

12 out on my third star. Got a game day coming up, but I might be only running one game... Doh!

The Exchange 5/5

I favor a system similar to 1st Edition Druid heirarchy. There should be a limited number of positions for each rank of stars. After there are X number of Three Star GMs the only way you can earn your 3rd star is to take on an existing Three Star. In lieu of mortal combat in wildshape (which would be a huge liability for Paizo), each region shall send their worst player to test the GMs. By worst player, I mean the most rules-lawyery, off-topic talking, not-paying attention, character cheesing, spotlight-hogging, shameless treasure-mongering, lack-of-personal hygiene, brings-nothing-to-the-table-but-grief player that can be dragged out of their mother's basement. Each GM must run a table of these players in a marathon session of every AP Paizo has ever published until one of them drops from fatigue, laryngitis or sheer insanity. The players are naturally allowed to fall asleep at the table and get up for bathroom breaks, while the GM may do neither. Killing the players is grounds for disqualification.

The Exchange 5/5

Todd Morgan wrote:
After Gamicon, I should have my 3rd star AND be well on my way to 4. Hoping to get my 4th star after Origins (hopefully judging the entire thing) but before GenCon

Still say we need an Iowa contengient to go up to Origins to judge all week lol

Grand Lodge 3/5

Doug Miles wrote:
I favor a system similar to 1st Edition Druid heirarchy. There should be a limited number of positions for each rank of stars. After there are X number of Three Star GMs the only way you can earn your 3rd star is to take on an existing Three Star. In lieu of mortal combat in wildshape (which would be a huge liability for Paizo), each region shall send their worst player to test the GMs. By worst player, I mean the most rules-lawyery, off-topic talking, not-paying attention, character cheesing, spotlight-hogging, shameless treasure-mongering, lack-of-personal hygiene, brings-nothing-to-the-table-but-grief player that can be dragged out of their mother's basement. Each GM must run a table of these players in a marathon session of every AP Paizo has ever published until one of them drops from fatigue, laryngitis or sheer insanity. The players are naturally allowed to fall asleep at the player and get up for bathroom breaks, while the GM may do neither. Killing the players is grounds for disqualification.

Are you cloning Kyle?

Dark Archive

Doug Miles wrote:
I favor a system similar to 1st Edition Druid heirarchy. There should be a limited number of positions for each rank of stars. After there are X number of Three Star GMs the only way you can earn your 3rd star is to take on an existing Three Star. In lieu of mortal combat in wildshape (which would be a huge liability for Paizo), each region shall send their worst player to test the GMs. By worst player, I mean the most rules-lawyery, off-topic talking, not-paying attention, character cheesing, spotlight-hogging, shameless treasure-mongering, lack-of-personal hygiene, brings-nothing-to-the-table-but-grief player that can be dragged out of their mother's basement. Each GM must run a table of these players in a marathon session of every AP Paizo has ever published until one of them drops from fatigue, laryngitis or sheer insanity. The players are naturally allowed to fall asleep at the player and get up for bathroom breaks, while the GM may do neither. Killing the players is grounds for disqualification.

+1

This is gonna be great! More gaming!!

-kikai13 the Gaming Masochist

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Scribbling Rambler wrote:
Doug Miles wrote:
I favor a system similar to 1st Edition Druid heirarchy. There should be a limited number of positions for each rank of stars. After there are X number of Three Star GMs the only way you can earn your 3rd star is to take on an existing Three Star. In lieu of mortal combat in wildshape (which would be a huge liability for Paizo), each region shall send their worst player to test the GMs. By worst player, I mean the most rules-lawyery, off-topic talking, not-paying attention, character cheesing, spotlight-hogging, shameless treasure-mongering, lack-of-personal hygiene, brings-nothing-to-the-table-but-grief player that can be dragged out of their mother's basement. Each GM must run a table of these players in a marathon session of every AP Paizo has ever published until one of them drops from fatigue, laryngitis or sheer insanity. The players are naturally allowed to fall asleep at the player and get up for bathroom breaks, while the GM may do neither. Killing the players is grounds for disqualification.
Are you cloning Kyle?

Nope, just sending me to Canada!

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Doug Miles wrote:
Boring Stuff.

I can't wait until there are 100 5-star GMs! Nothing says unique and special like every two-bit hack and their brother sharing your title!

Scarab Sages 3/5

Kyle Baird wrote:
Scribbling Rambler wrote:
Doug Miles wrote:
I favor a system similar to 1st Edition Druid heirarchy. There should be a limited number of positions for each rank of stars. After there are X number of Three Star GMs the only way you can earn your 3rd star is to take on an existing Three Star. In lieu of mortal combat in wildshape (which would be a huge liability for Paizo), each region shall send their worst player to test the GMs. By worst player, I mean the most rules-lawyery, off-topic talking, not-paying attention, character cheesing, spotlight-hogging, shameless treasure-mongering, lack-of-personal hygiene, brings-nothing-to-the-table-but-grief player that can be dragged out of their mother's basement. Each GM must run a table of these players in a marathon session of every AP Paizo has ever published until one of them drops from fatigue, laryngitis or sheer insanity. The players are naturally allowed to fall asleep at the player and get up for bathroom breaks, while the GM may do neither. Killing the players is grounds for disqualification.
Are you cloning Kyle?
Nope, just sending me to Canada!

Great we can blame Kyle and Canada!

Dark Archive

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Nope, just sending me to Canada!

I have to say, I spent 5 months in the Toronto/Hamilton area this year and they are crying for more sanctioned organised play. The owners of a specific shop in Hamilton as well as downtown Toronto want to expand the coverage of what Pathfinder can bring to Canada.

when the call came out for regional members, i had my application written and ready to go, but unfortunately I got the call to go back to Minneapolis before I could get things started up there. They want their representation up there.

Kudos to the DMs that will make the trip!

Sovereign Court 3/5

I'm actually with Doug on this one. I think he might have missed the one thing that I have going for my PFS Character - Goldfrapp the Naked TALDORAN gets naked at least once per module and I have pictures to prove it (www.greyhawkonline.com/goldfrapp.jpg).
But then, I'm only at my Second Star and with coordinating it seems like even my GMing time might be reduced.
So maybe I can be one of the players at the table - but I don't know the rules and at 8th level and 5 character classes, Goldfrapp isn't cheesed. Damn. I can't compete either way.
GM's have 5hr or 6hr energy drinks and the bottles .... they should not need to take any breaks.

Theocrat Issak

Dark Archive

Theocrat wrote:

I'm actually with Doug on this one. I think he might have missed the one thing that I have going for my PFS Character - Goldfrapp the Naked TALDORAN gets naked at least once per module and I have pictures to prove it (www.greyhawkonline.com/goldfrapp.jpg).

But then, I'm only at my Second Star and with coordinating it seems like even my GMing time might be reduced.
So maybe I can be one of the players at the table - but I don't know the rules and at 8th level and 5 character classes, Goldfrapp isn't cheesed. Damn. I can't compete either way.
GM's have 5hr or 6hr energy drinks and the bottles .... they should not need to take any breaks.

Theocrat Issak

well, i GM all the time but have yet to step into the organised play. Its easier to run a game with my house rules (and my regression to 1st ed ad&d every now and then) than to stick to the new PFS stuff. Just this last week, I told a dead elf that he couldnt be raised or ressurected not knowing that in PFS, you can.

However, I will be ready for full conversion by Gen con next year and work towards my first star.

Sovereign Court 3/5

Soliloquies wrote:

Some not 'important-stuff'

Just this last week, I told a dead elf that he couldnt be raised or ressurected not knowing that in PFS, you can.

In 1e, I was playing Lacwe the Huge a 40yr kids grew up and I wanted to be a Paladin. Another player was playing an Olve (World of Greyhawk elf) want-to-be Paladin. But I didn't understand, as Olves have no soul. No soul = no faith = no Paladin. But then Lacwe was Huge for a reason - too many turkey drumsticks in hand. Neither of us ended up rolling stats high enough for a Paladin and we both in-game and in real-life became friends.

Of course, my personal dislike for elves has driven the EVOL WifeFIEND to only play elves now. Darn girls!

Be Well. Be Well Souled.
Theocrat Issak

The Exchange 5/5

Soliloquies wrote:


Quote:
Nope, just sending me to Canada!

I have to say, I spent 5 months in the Toronto/Hamilton area this year and they are crying for more sanctioned organised play. The owners of a specific shop in Hamilton as well as downtown Toronto want to expand the coverage of what Pathfinder can bring to Canada.

when the call came out for regional members, i had my application written and ready to go, but unfortunately I got the call to go back to Minneapolis before I could get things started up there. They want their representation up there.

Kudos to the DMs that will make the trip!

Make sure you tell your friends about PFS play at HammerCon next month. I'm hoping for a good turnout since I'll be making a five hour drive. A good place to start an new PFS PC.

Dark Archive

Hey, Kyle!

I see you have your 3 stars now. Congrats! How far are you from 4? Are you gonna have your 4th in time for Paizocon?

Anybody else out there (other than Doug) close to getting big number 4? Just curious.

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kikai13 wrote:

Hey, Kyle!

I see you have your 3 stars now. Congrats! How far are you from 4? Are you gonna have your 4th in time for Paizocon?

Anybody else out there (other than Doug) close to getting big number 4? Just curious.

Thanks half-orc brother! TwilightKnight and I are both in the mid-70's somewhere. I think there's at least a couple more out there with 3 stars, closing in on 4. Before we know it, Mark and Hyrum will have to raise the thresholds!

The Exchange 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Mediterranean

Well I'm now one game away from three stars so I'm organising some games so I can get it before the end of the year. I calculate that by this time next year I'll have my 4th star. Rob Silk is also now on three stars.

(And when Josh was over here for PaizoCon UK he said that Rob Silk and I would get the 5th star as soon as we'd got our 4th - dunno if Hyrum will follow through on that though.)

The Exchange 5/5

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Unless they change the way the 5th star is awarded, it's only a formality if you attend PaizoCon or GenCon after your 4th star has been earned. Honestly, can you see anyone having the gall to say to you "Well, I realize that you have GMed & reported over 100 scenarios AND you have paid your way to get to this convention--but I don't think you have what it takes. I'm sorry, but you're not ready for 5 stars. Don't feel bad, if you come back next year I'll take another look at you..."
Most people would walk away from the game at that point. I hope the system is changed to something more objective, like eating 50 hardboiled eggs in an hour or being able to fit five beholder minis in your mouth. And let's face it, expecting everyone eligible for 5 stars to travel to GenCon or PaizoCon might be an unfair requirement.

The Exchange 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Mediterranean

Doug Miles wrote:
And let's face it, expecting everyone eligible for 5 stars to travel to GenCon or PaizoCon might be an unfair requirement.

Particularly if you're not in the US!

The Exchange 5/5

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Doug Miles wrote:
Boring Stuff.
I can't wait until there are 100 5-star GMs! Nothing says unique and special like every two-bit hack and their brother sharing your title!

You know, I had this conversation with a friend this weekend. I asked him who the first person to walk on the moon was. "Neil Armstrong" The second person? "Buzz Aldrin" The third person? "Klaus VonStubbin" Nice try, thanks for proving my point. I do welcome more 5 star bretheren, besides once people like Kyle have 5 stars I won't feel like I have to live up to such a high standard ;p

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

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That's right doug...a few more of us make 5-stars and it'll drop the quality pool. ;-P

The Exchange 5/5

Doug Miles wrote:
being able to fit five beholder minis in your mouth.

...Doug, shuddup... don't mention those...they are not OGL and we could get our rear ends kicked by "the other guys"...

JP

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Doug Miles wrote:
, besides once people like Kyle have 5 stars I won't feel like I have to live up to such a high standard ;p

Once that happens it will be a hop skip and a jumb for the rest of us!!! ;)..

Wait Kyle have we met? I feel bad making fun of people I have never met.. Unless your name is MisterSlanky, then I have no problem with it.. ;)

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Doug Miles wrote:
I feel bad making fun of people I have never met.. Unless your name is MisterSlanky, then I have no problem with it.. ;)

+1 ;) I mock that fellah daily.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
Wait Kyle have we met? I feel bad making fun of people I have never met..

We have not met, and you don't earn the right to mock me until you've survived at my table at least once. ;-)

The Exchange 5/5

Kyle Baird wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Wait Kyle have we met? I feel bad making fun of people I have never met..
We have not met, and you don't earn the right to mock me until you've survived at my table at least once. ;-)

ooooo mock mock mock mock

The Exchange 5/5

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Wait Kyle have we met? I feel bad making fun of people I have never met..
We have not met, and you don't earn the right to mock me until you've survived at my table at least once. ;-)

Nyah Nyah you can't kill my cleric nor let alone my eldritch knight in some of the worst possible cases.

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Wait Kyle have we met? I feel bad making fun of people I have never met..
We have not met, and you don't earn the right to mock me until you've survived at my table at least once. ;-)

If I kill Doug's Character when he sits at my table at OwlCon in Jan, will that be good enough? ;)

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Dragnmoon wrote:
If I kill Doug's Character when he sits at my table at OwlCon in Jan, will that be good enough? ;)

You say that as if Doug's characters are hard to kill. Truth is, they're usually masochistic in nature. I have to try NOT to kill his character more often then not. ;-)

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
If I kill Doug's Character when he sits at my table at OwlCon in Jan, will that be good enough? ;)
You say that as if Doug's characters are hard to kill. Truth is, they're usually masochistic in nature. I have to try NOT to kill his character more often then not. ;-)

I had that problem the other day. I did 19 HPs of Dmg to a Character with Inflict critical wounds, in a 4-5 sub-tier game once, and he told me that kills him right off! I was like huh? how is that? Then I remembered he was 1st level playing up! I quickly said, oh Wait he casted Inflict Moderate!!! Still took him down but he lived!!! Was more careful the rest of the game.

The Exchange 5/5

Kyle Baird wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
If I kill Doug's Character when he sits at my table at OwlCon in Jan, will that be good enough? ;)
You say that as if Doug's characters are hard to kill. Truth is, they're usually masochistic in nature. I have to try NOT to kill his character more often then not. ;-)

That's why my cleric's AC has been 11 for 10 levels. My secondary PC's AC is 12. I'd rather look good and die than look bad and live.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
If I kill Doug's Character when he sits at my table at OwlCon in Jan, will that be good enough? ;)
You say that as if Doug's characters are hard to kill. Truth is, they're usually masochistic in nature. I have to try NOT to kill his character more often then not. ;-)
I had that problem the other day. I did 19 HPs of Dmg to a Character with Inflict critical wounds, in a 4-5 sub-tier game once, and he told me that kills him right off! I was like huh? how is that? Then I remembered he was 1st level playing up! I quickly said, oh Wait he casted Inflict Moderate!!! Still took him down but he lived!!! Was more careful the rest of the game.

A level 1 playing a tier 4-5 should be expected to contribute and not earn 150% extra gold for showing up. That's the risk of playing up.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

And that's why I, as a GM, STRENUOUSLY recommend to 1st level players, not to "play up" at a subtier 4-5 table, or even a 3-4 for that matter, unless I am supremely confident that the encounters won't kill them. Of course you cannot control a maximized critical hit, or bad player decisions, but I hate to kill a new PC with an "average" attack because they are just not "cool" enough to be playing at that subtier. Our local event recently had a table with two 1st levels and two 4th levels. Do the math, that's APL 3, and forced the table into subtier 3-4 for The Infernal Vault, a known killer scenario.

spoiler:
They were no match for Celeena, a level 7 sorcerer with Sleet Storm, Glitterdust, and Scorching Ray

I have joined the goup that wants to see no 1-7 mods, only 1-5/5-9/7-11. Having a break at APL 3, can help the GM push a table down to subtier 1-2 to keep the n00bs from getting wiped. And this should make it extremely rare to see a 1st forced to play up a subtier.

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TwilightKnight wrote:
I have joined the goup that wants to see no 1-7 mods, only 1-5/5-9/7-11.

Welcome to the dark side!

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Kyle Baird wrote:


A level 1 playing a tier 4-5 should be expected to contribute and not earn 150% extra gold for showing up. That's the risk of playing up.

If he "Choose" to play that table, I would agree, I put him into that game. I still would have killed his chaarcter if it came to it, but I had an option not to, so I took it.

The Exchange 5/5

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Dragnmoon wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:


A level 1 playing a tier 4-5 should be expected to contribute and not earn 150% extra gold for showing up. That's the risk of playing up.
If he "Choose" to play that table, I would agree, I put him into that game. I still would have killed his chaarcter if it came to it, but I had an option not to, so I took it.

I feel the same. I have no problems killing people in scenarios when it is level appropriate etc. It's only when the player is "forced" into playing up that I tend to be lenient on them. However if they play stupidly then I may change that decision...

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/5

I had a player walk out this last weekend rather than play his level 1 in 3-4. Looking back, I should have split the table to a 3 and a 4 person table instead of the 7-man one we ran of 2-01 (it was rough on those that stayed as they still calculated to a 3-4 and were now short a man). I think I shall be more careful about that in the future.

Clint

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Alizor wrote:
It's only when the player is "forced" into playing up that I tend to be lenient on them.

Lenient is one thing. Reversing time and undoing damaging effects only breeds resentment later in life when the GM won't do that for them. (not disagreeing that the level one shouldn't have died)

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Alizor wrote:
It's only when the player is "forced" into playing up that I tend to be lenient on them.
Lenient is one thing. Reversing time and undoing damaging effects only breeds resentment later in life when the GM won't do that for them. (not disagreeing that the level one shouldn't have died)

They already know I am willing to kill them... oh and their characters too...;)

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

Kyle Baird wrote:
Will hit 60 at U-Con next month. 6 more months to get 40 more tables? No problem!.. (maybe)

BTW, my tracking will have me at 83 reported after tomorrow. I can see the light of the fourth star breaking the horizon! Looks like #4 might happen at WYC in March. That would be awesome timing.

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

Gratz man!

I hope to be like you some day ;-)

Grand Lodge 3/5

TwilightKnight wrote:

Our local event recently had a table with two 1st levels and two 4th levels. Do the math, that's APL 3, and forced the table into subtier 3-4 for The Infernal Vault, a known killer scenario.

Ummm... my math says 2.5 (their choice), but maybe that's cuz of the metric/imperial conversion. :)

The Exchange 5/5

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K Neil Shackleton wrote:
TwilightKnight wrote:

Our local event recently had a table with two 1st levels and two 4th levels. Do the math, that's APL 3, and forced the table into subtier 3-4 for The Infernal Vault, a known killer scenario.

Ummm... my math says 2.5 (their choice), but maybe that's cuz of the metric/imperial conversion. :)

Sadly in a 1-7 there is no choice between 1-2 and 3-4. Rounding forces you to do one or the other. (2.5 rounds to 3)

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