Not sure if this particular issue has already been addressed so I figured I'd just ask:
I have a Dwarven Ranger with the Skirmisher archetype from the Advanced Player's Guide (pg. 128). He has the 'upending strike' hunter's trick:
"Upending Strike (Ex): The ranger can use this trick as a free
action just before he makes a melee attack. If the attack hits,
he may make a free trip combat maneuver against the target."
The ranger has neither the improved trip feat nor the improved disarm feat. If he attempts an upending strike he of course is not subject to an attack of opportunity from his opponent. If the opponent is tripped and stands up from prone that provokes an attack of opportunity. My question:
If the ranger then attempts a disarm attack on his opponent as his attack of opportunity, does that then allow the opponent to attack the ranger, while the opponent is in the middle of standing up?
I know how the ordinary chain of attacks of opportunity works and that would allow for this, it just seems crazy that the opponent can whack at the ranger while he's also in the middle of getting up from prone!
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The ranger has neither the improved trip feat nor the improved disarm feat. If he attempts an upending strike he of course is not subject to an attack of opportunity from his opponent.
Why not?
If the opponent is tripped and stands up from prone that provokes an attack of opportunity. My question:
If the ranger then attempts a disarm attack on his opponent as his attack of opportunity, does that then allow the opponent to attack the ranger, while the opponent is in the middle of standing up?
I know how the ordinary chain of attacks of opportunity works and that would allow for this, it just seems crazy that the opponent can whack at the ranger while he's also in the middle of getting up from prone!
It doesn't happen in the middle. It happens prior to him standing up. The chain will have opponent taking AoO from prone vs. Ranger; Ranger then executing his disarm; the opponent then stands and takes his standard action.
If he attempts an upending strike he of course is not subject to an attack of opportunity from his opponent.
Why not?
Damn! You're right - I thought the wording of 'upending strike' allowed for the ranger to make a trip attack without provoking an attack of opportunity, but that's not necessarily the case. I guess I have a new question now...
Thanks for the answer on the AoO chain - that makes sense now.
The chain will have opponent taking AoO from prone vs. Ranger; Ranger then executing his disarm; the opponent then stands and takes his standard action.
If the ranger provokes by disarming, the guy on the floor will get to make an AoO against the ranger while he's still on the floor, before his weapon gets disarmed.
From the top:
Ranger's Turn: Ranger attempts to trip Orc, and provokes. Orc makes an AoO and hits ranger with his sword. Rangers trip attempt goes off. If it works, Orc goes prone.
Orc's Turn: Orc provokes by attempting to stand up from prone, ranger takes his AoO by attempting a disarm, which provokes from the prone Orc. Prone Orc makes an AoO (with his sword) against the ranger, then ranger's disarm happens, then Orc stands up. Orc has a standard action left.
Note that on the orc's turn, he has a -4 penalty to his AoO attack and to his CMD to resist the disarm because he is still prone.