Sorry if this has been covered already. Long story short, reincarnated as a kobold. Unhappy about this, my PC will likely be looking for a change back into a more palatable form. Aside from finding a cleric willing or able to do this, what kind of cost am I looking at? Is this a 25K kind of request or more standard than that?
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You don't so much cast a miracle as request one. You state what you would like to have happen and request that your deity (or the power you pray to for spells) intercede.
A miracle can do any of the following things.
Duplicate any cleric spell of 8th level or lower.
Duplicate any other spell of 7th level or lower.
Undo the harmful effects of certain spells, such as feeblemind or insanity.
Have any effect whose power level is in line with the above effects.
Alternatively, a cleric can make a very powerful request. Casting such a miracle costs the cleric 25,000 gp in powdered diamond because of the powerful divine energies involved.
Thanks,
~m
Sorry if this has been covered already. Long story short, reincarnated as a kobold. Unhappy about this, my PC will likely be looking for a change back into a more palatable form. Aside from finding a cleric willing or able to do this, what kind of cost am I looking at? Is this a 25K kind of request or more standard than that?
Relevant text:
You don't so much cast a miracle as request one. You state what you would like to have happen and request that your deity (or the power you pray to for spells) intercede.A miracle can do any of the following things.
Duplicate any cleric spell of 8th level or lower.
Duplicate any other spell of 7th level or lower.
Undo the harmful effects of certain spells, such as feeblemind or insanity.
Have any effect whose power level is in line with the above effects.Alternatively, a cleric can make a very powerful request. Casting such a miracle costs the cleric 25,000 gp in powdered diamond because of the powerful divine energies involved.
Thanks,
~m
I'll second the Polymorph Any Object route. I really don't see it as something that needs to cost 25,000gp. Dying is bad enough =p
You and your DM are the only ones that really matter tho.
I actually think that this is in the minor Miracle range, semi-duplicating Polymorph Any Object (though it can't actually do that). However I don't actually agree with minor Miracles having no cost at all (particularly with making this a cheaper way of raising the dead), so quandary there.
As for Polymorph Any Object, remember that will be dispelable, and true sight will reveal your form as a kobold.
Depending on your groups style of play, I would personally encourage your GM, that you have to undergo some quest to satisfy the deity in question. Preferably one that confronts your character with his new identity, for bad and for good.
It shouldn't be a matter of coin, whether it is a big or a small thing. Making it free or pricing it only a 1-2k will make it only a mild inconvenience to end up a strange race due to reincarnation (and might thus be abused as alternative to raise dead). On the other hand paying 25k for it, will just upset game balance, as you are set thoroughly behind the rest of the players gp-wise (and poses a risk for the inventive characters, who has themselves killed and reincarnated to turn out right).
Since it is important for your character, it should require something special to attain. This does not necessarily have to be gold, but should rather be something which adds to the character after he changes back (or not).
I say 25k all the way.
Why?
You played roulette and you lost. Now you want some cheap way to "fix it". Sorry- no. You chose the cheaper alternative. You knew the possible results.
At -bare minimum- I would make sure that whatever cost, made it come up to an equivalent cost to a raise dead. Probably a little more for not living with the result of your original choice. Not to be a jerk- just to discourage "well I'll reincarnate and if I don't like the result, I'll just pay *1200 and have it fixed"
*1200 being a random number- insert whatever the price difference would be.
Reincarnate is lower level for a reason. It has an element of risk. If you don't want to take that risk, don't accept the spell being cast on you. If you decide to let it be cast on you then accept the consequences. Accept the kobold just the same as you would have, had the result been some uber super choice for your character/class/etc.
-S
This also seems like a reasonable spell effect for a caster to research...a spell that targets a reincarnated creature and transforms him into his original creature type/race/form. Say a 7th lvl Druid, 8th lvl everybody else spell with a 1000 gp material cost.
Or just find a witch with the Forced Reincarnation grand hex. Have her do it every day until you get the form you like. Just be sure to have some Restoration spells handy, and hope it doesn't take a lot of days to get it right, as there will be some negative levels adding up. Otherwise, problem solved.
For 25K, I would play roulette again, and again, and again if I had to. Personally, if I had access to miracle, I'd kill myself and have them true res me with the miracle. Gets rid of the negative levels from the reincarnate, restores your true form, and only costs 10K in material components.
Caineach - couple of problems with that.
1. Miracle cannot duplicate a True Res, you have to actually get a True Res. (only 8th level and below).
2. True Res will bring him back as a kobold, that's what he was when he killed himself.
Better off to get some Restorations (maybe a wand), and get set for the reincarnate cycle. You could end up a lot of races, learn a lot, even have a good time.
Answer to OP question - changing you from a kobold to your old self is indeed a 25K request. It is above and beyond what any spell can do. People have already pointed out the Poly Any problem, that applies to any other spell solution tried. Therefore, it falls into the special request column, pay up the big bucks.
I will have to look, but it seems like they changed true res since the last time I needed it. I thought it used to return you to your natural form.
I will have to look, but it seems like they changed true res since the last time I needed it. I thought it used to return you to your natural form.
I would argue that if you're reincarnated as something, that is your natural form.
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I know this seems hard to consider but...
Isn't the hilarity of not ending up as something you'd expected or wanted half the fun of Reincarnate?
Doesn't suddenly being stuck in a different body where people treat you differently and your personal challenges have to be rethought provide incredible roleplay experiences?
Isn't when the rest of the players have their moment of pointing and laughing to the tune of "ha ha, you got turned into a yakman" funny and on some level worth it?
There's more to consider than the price of spells and scrolls here. There's the fun the players are having, the challenge of having to try something new, the threat of rolling an 00 and being turned into a gelatinous cube...