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Kinda of a silly question, but I just want to make sure that I got it right as I may end up running Kingmaker with two mounted, lance-wielding players, but is ALL of the damage (die plus static modifiers) for a lance doubled, or just the die?
And if ALL of the damage is doubled, when critting with this behemoth of a weapon, you would add the crit modifier, not multiply it, so it would end up being x5 (2+3) damage (x6 with Spirited Charge), not x6 (2*3) damage, right?
ALL static damage and the base damage die are doubled.
Use DnD multiplication. Spirited charge = x3. Crit = x3. Add them together (2+3) for x5 damage on a crit.
So...Power Attack is good here. As in a Cavalier's Challenge, for example.
Smite Evil, being damage dice...do not get multiplied.
Smite Evil, being damage dice...do not get multiplied.
Smite Evil is static damage (1 point per level, or 2 points per level against certain foes), so it would also be multiplied. A charging smiting crit on the right target is going to leave a mark.
You're right. For some reason I thought it was d6 die. Must've been a beta thing?
Kinda of a silly question, but I just want to make sure that I got it right as I may end up running Kingmaker with two mounted, lance-wielding players, but is ALL of the damage (die plus static modifiers) for a lance doubled, or just the die?
And if ALL of the damage is doubled, when critting with this behemoth of a weapon, you would add the crit modifier, not multiply it, so it would end up being x5 (2+3) damage (x6 with Spirited Charge), not x6 (2*3) damage, right?
You multiply anything that isn't extra damage dice. Therefore things like flaming or sneak attack would not get multiplied, but a +3 from strength and +2 from weapon specialization would.
EDIT: Ninja'd x4.
Thanks for the quick response. Now excuse me as I go and weep for my poor, poor NPCs... (one of the chargers is a Cavalier and the other is a Paladin)
So yeah, I think after a few encounters, bandits are going to start wising up and getting brace weapons.
With the level 20 Cavalier ability (basically super-charged Spirited Charge), I think on a crit the damage becomes 6x.
Don't forget that charging has its limitations. Difficult Terrain (even a few feet of it) stops charging cold unless you rule (and quite reasonable imo) that a mount can possibly jump over some low-lying Difficult Terrain. Any creature (enemy or ally) in the way also stops the charge, although the Charge Through feat can help in one of those instances.
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I would like to note you don't straight-up add critical multiplier. The first one counts for full, but each additional adds as one less than its full. Thus an x2x2 is an x3, and an x2x2x2 is an x4. An x3x3 is an x5, with an 4x2 also being an x5.
Since a crit is x2 and a charge with a lance is x2, a critical charge with a lance is x3. Supreme charge increases the "charge with a lance" multiplier to x3, making the total x4 instead.
Note that I have absolutely no recollection where I heard/read those stacking rules, but I'm pretty sure those are right >.>
I would like to note you don't straight-up add critical multiplier. The first one counts for full, but each additional adds as one less than its full. Thus an x2x2 is an x3, and an x2x2x2 is an x4. An x3x3 is an x5, with an 4x2 also being an x5.
Since a crit is x2 and a charge with a lance is x2, a critical charge with a lance is x3. Supreme charge increases the "charge with a lance" multiplier to x3, making the total x4 instead.
Note that I have absolutely no recollection where I heard/read those stacking rules, but I'm pretty sure those are right >.>
Umm, a Lance is an x3 weapon. So, when using Spirited Charge atop a mount (which gives x3 damage), if you crit, you get a total of x5. x3 basically translates into "+200% damage" so if you add 200% twice to the base 100%, you get 500% or x5.
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Umm, a Lance is an x3 weapon. So, when using Spirited Charge atop a mount (which gives x3 damage), if you crit, you get a total of x5. x3 basically translates into "+200% damage" so if you add 200% twice to the base 100%, you get 500% or x5.I would like to note you don't straight-up add critical multiplier. The first one counts for full, but each additional adds as one less than its full. Thus an x2x2 is an x3, and an x2x2x2 is an x4. An x3x3 is an x5, with an 4x2 also being an x5.
Since a crit is x2 and a charge with a lance is x2, a critical charge with a lance is x3. Supreme charge increases the "charge with a lance" multiplier to x3, making the total x4 instead.
Note that I have absolutely no recollection where I heard/read those stacking rules, but I'm pretty sure those are right >.>
Doh! Sorry I got the base crit wrong... So x3 for crit, x4 for a supreme spirited charge, for a total of x6. Yup, yup.
Move along people, nothing to see here.
As the adventure goes on, there will invariably be times when the terrain is unfavorable or it'sjust socially unacceptable to be on a mount.
When you are attending the pricness's ball, you ain't getting away with bringing your mount into the ballroom. What if it treads MUD all over the place, and you KNOW how tantrum-prone the spoiled princess is.
Many of the monsters are animals that can't use tactics. I would give the smarter one improved init as a feat. If they can close on the mounted characters then the charge can't take place.
This is one of the few games/AP's where mounted characters shine so I would let them have fun while they can. They won't be able to do this for the most important fights, which are indoors most of the time.