Another Vindicator's Shield question --- Does it use Channel Energy?

[Razz]

Ok, here's another question on the Holy Vindicator's Shield ability. It says the character channels energy into the shield as a standard action. Does it expend a use of Channel Energy, or is this ability unlimited? I assume it does expend a use of Channel Energy, but it doesn't specify.

Also, when is Paizo releasing an APG clarification/errata file? It's long overdue I think.

[Razz]

Anyone?

[Abraham spalding]

From the book:

Rules wrote:

"Vindicator's Shield (SU): A vindicator can channel energy into his shield as a standard action.

You are channeling energy into your shield so yes it eats up one of your daily uses of channel energy.

As a sidenote: It took around 6 months (iirc) for the first errata on the actual Core rule set, so I wouldn't expect the errata/FAQ for the APG soon, especially since they are putting together a complete FAQ currently, in addition to their usual productions.

[Psatio]

Abraham spalding wrote:

From the book:

Rules wrote:

"Vindicator's Shield (SU): A vindicator can channel energy into his shield as a standard action.

You are channeling energy into your shield so yes it eats up one of your daily uses of channel energy.

As a sidenote: It took around 6 months (iirc) for the first errata on the actual Core rule set, so I wouldn't expect the errata/FAQ for the APG soon, especially since they are putting together a complete FAQ currently, in addition to their usual productions.

2 years, no errata, still disappointed, however, I'd counter with this: most other channel abilities say "expand a use/two uses/etc" when describing an effect. Turn undead reads: "You can, as a standard action, use one of your uses of channel positive energy to ..."

This seems more like a descriptive thing, like "a paladin can call out to the powers of good to..." or "a shadowdancer can use raw shadow to...". It just happens that channel energy doesn't take to synonyms well.

[Grick]

Jason Nelson (author of the archetype) wrote:

Prefaced with the comment that I am not the developer but the author of said PrC, and my comments are not official RAW judgments for the purpose of PFS or similar campaigns, I can offer you my unofficial RAI opinion on the subject.

1. I'm rather baffled by how an ability that states "A vindicator can channel energy... " could be interpreted in any way other than the use of the "channel energy" class feature that is a prerequisite for the class, and that is literally right next to the entry for the Vindicator's Shield ability, immediately preceding it in the description of class abilities.

The channel energy ability is itself limited in number of uses per day; ipso facto, any ability that is a use of the channel energy is using a use of channel energy.

The syllogism seems pretty straightforward: If A = B and B = C, then A = C.

A - Vindicator's Shield
B - Channel Energy
C - Limited uses per day

If X is true (Channeling energy is limited uses per day) and Y is true (Vindicator's Shield is channeling energy), then by definition XY is true (Vindicator's Shield is limited uses per day).

2. Is there perhaps some other meaning of "channel energy" to which the player believes this term refers?

3. If you believe it is absolutely necessary for the PrC ability to include a sentence stating the following:

Using channel energy to use this ability counts as a use of channel energy.

Then by all means include it with my blessing. Personally I think it's redundant, but if it helps settle an argument then all to the good.

["Devil's Advocate"]

I always find it funny when people answer with (essentually) a quote already present in the original question as an answer. . .

:)

Razz wrote:

It says the character channels energy into the shield as a standard action.

Abraham spalding wrote:

From the book:

Rules wrote:

"Vindicator's Shield (SU): A vindicator can channel energy into his shield as a standard action.