There are only LG Paladins in Pathfinder. While there are Paladins within the Hellknight organizations, those Paladins are all LG.
You should check out the Hellknight prestige class, found in Pathfinder Adventure Path #27 - What Lies in Dust. It has smite chaos, and mostly everything else you'd want a Law variation of Paladin to have.
I know you said you'd prefer a core class, but the Hellknight really is the best official Pathfinder method at the moment. You can also consider the Inquisitor base class from the Advanced Player's Guide.
Or the Antipaladin from the Advanced Players Guide. Though they are Chaotic Evil, and Smite Good...
I see no problem in taking the Anti-Paladin and morphing it a bit to be a LN or LE Holy Knight of (insert Diety here) especially an Evil one.
And maybe there needs to be a full class Hellknight worked up.
The whole reason for their not being Paladins of the other alignments in the APG is that there would have been too much overlap (aka waste of page space). So I think the Antipaladin is really more of an example of an alternate alignment Paladin rather then, "this is your only other paladin alignment option."
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The whole reason for their not being Paladins of the other alignments in the APG is that there would have been too much overlap (aka waste of page space). So I think the Antipaladin is really more of an example of an alternate alignment Paladin rather then, "this is your only other paladin alignment option."I see no problem in taking the Anti-Paladin and morphing it a bit to be a LN or LE Holy Knight of (insert Diety here) especially an Evil one.
And maybe there needs to be a full class Hellknight worked up.
*digs a hasty foxhole, throws barbed wire around the thread*
Oh no, a Paladin alignment thread ! Quick, run before Seeker and Cartigan spot it !
I spotted it, but the others have already covered what he asked. He had some misconception about paladins of hellknight orders which has also been addressed.
To the OP you could start off as a LG paladin and slowly play up his disillusionment with his code and Good over law and say level 5 or so have him "fall" halfway though becoming LN and then becoming a hellknight
That could be an awesome roleplay opportunity
Haha, I'm just saying what I saw straight from JJ's mouth. Remember there were plans for the other Paladin alignments in the APG.
In MY game Paladins don't have to be Lawful Good. :)
Wait, where did that dragon go?
Well we can't help if your playing wrong :)
*digs a hasty foxhole, throws barbed wire around the thread*
"Woh that is pitiful, I can sell you a paladin proof wall however".
*strolls through thread*
I find that using the 'Holy Warrior' Option in the Campaign Guide under Clerics fills in the need for not Lawful Good Pally types. And the best way to beat a Paladin? Have a Paladin firmly on your side and have them debate who's more righteous.
That is 3.5 and not gonna be in the pathfinder edition of the new setting book. So in a pathfinder only games this may not be allowed.
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I find that using the 'Holy Warrior' Option in the Campaign Guide under Clerics fills in the need for not Lawful Good Pally types. And the best way to beat a Paladin? Have a Paladin firmly on your side and have them debate who's more righteous.That is 3.5 and not gonna be in the pathfinder edition of the new setting book. So in a pathfinder only games this may not be allowed.
Not to mention that under the 3.5 the Cleric Holy Warrior variant was rather insane, full BAB in exchange for a domain, kthnxbai.
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Not to mention that under the 3.5 the Cleric Holy Warrior variant was rather insane, full BAB in exchange for a domain, kthnxbai.I find that using the 'Holy Warrior' Option in the Campaign Guide under Clerics fills in the need for not Lawful Good Pally types. And the best way to beat a Paladin? Have a Paladin firmly on your side and have them debate who's more righteous.That is 3.5 and not gonna be in the pathfinder edition of the new setting book. So in a pathfinder only games this may not be allowed.
If you have experience with it, I'd love to hear exactly what the problems were.
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If you have experience with it, I'd love to hear exactly what the problems were.Not to mention that under the 3.5 the Cleric Holy Warrior variant was rather insane, full BAB in exchange for a domain, kthnxbai.I find that using the 'Holy Warrior' Option in the Campaign Guide under Clerics fills in the need for not Lawful Good Pally types. And the best way to beat a Paladin? Have a Paladin firmly on your side and have them debate who's more righteous.That is 3.5 and not gonna be in the pathfinder edition of the new setting book. So in a pathfinder only games this may not be allowed.
Not as much as a "problem" as it was a too good to be true - you lost both domains and got full BAB and a d10 HD. It just made the Cleric need even less to outfight the Fighter, without giving up anything dramatic.
Not to mention that under the 3.5 the Cleric Holy Warrior variant was rather insane, full BAB in exchange for a domain, kthnxbai.
Which was James given reason for it not being kept
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Not as much as a "problem" as it was a too good to be true - you lost both domains and got full BAB and a d10 HD. It just made the Cleric need even less to outfight the Fighter, without giving up anything dramatic.
Sorry, I heard too much 'your opinion doesn't matter if you haven't actually seen it played' during the Paizo playtests.
If you have experience with it, I'd love to hear exactly what the problems were.
I ran a short lived game wth a 15th level holy warrior. It was just to good. Full bab and full casting, it was the best fighter without any spells, so ya had a fighter and a cleric rolled into one.
It was just a no brainer and something I found to good, it straight up out shined everyone, even more then normal .
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I ran a short lived game wth a 15th level holy warrior. It was just to good. Full bab and full casting, it was the best fighter without any spells, so ya had a fighter and a cleric rolled into one.It was just a no brainer and something I found to good, it straight up out shined everyone.
How was it the best fighter without any spells? You're seriously telling me if the spellcasting had been removed it could have stood toe to toe with the Fighter? Is a good Will save that powerful?
how many spells does a 3.5 cleric need to spend before he gets full BAB?
He gains more attacks an better HD will still keeping his spells. To good.
sigh, whatever man..I am glad it is dead and leave it at that, ya asked if anyone had really ran it. I had and I posted what I found for my game. Use it if ya like.
Not to mention that under the 3.5 the Cleric Holy Warrior variant was rather insane, full BAB in exchange for a domain, kthnxbai.
Which book was this in?
Anyway is there a way to get the Hellknight stuff without getting the module as we may be running the module later?
No; however, you don't have to read the module to create a Hellknight. The Hellknight PrC is detailed on pages 66-69, while the module itself is on pages 6-51.
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Anyway is there a way to get the Hellknight stuff without getting the module as we may be running the module later?
It's at the Archives of Nethys. Hasn't been updated to the Pathfinder SRD yet, though.
Pathfinder Campaign Setting.
Not to mention that under the 3.5 the Cleric Holy Warrior variant was rather insane, full BAB in exchange for a domain, kthnxbai.Which book was this in?
Yep page 43
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Anyway is there a way to get the Hellknight stuff without getting the module as we may be running the module later?
The Hellknight is now on d20pfsrd.com here.
