| kelvingreen |
If, for example, I had a multiclassed cleric/monk, with Knowledge as one of the domains, would this character be able to strike an opponent in order to damage them, and make use of the Lore Keeper touch attack at the same time?
Could a cleric/monk punch an undead creature and also Cure Light Wounds at the same time to cause extra damage?
Could you combine a touch attack with a grapple?
Or would touch attacks and unarmed strikes be considered separate?
| kelvingreen |
They are always considered separate actions, you cannot release a touch attack with an unarmed strike, during a normal grapple (unless you gain the upper hand and get to use an attack action), or in similar situations.
That is what I suspected, but on a quick scan of the PFSRD, I couldn't find a clarification. Thank you!
| Yasha |
Nearly all of these things are entirely separate actions.
1) Lorekeeper: This ability is listed as a Touch Attack. I see no reason you couldn't make a Touch Attack as one attack during a Full-Attack Action, but it won't do any damage.
2) Casting Cure Light Wounds is a spell. It has a Standard Action casting time. Unless this is a separate Quickened action, it can't be combined with an attack.
3) Grapple is a special Standard Action...that means you can't full attack or make other attacks in the same round in which you grapple. So not this one either.
Unless you start using quickened spells, touch attacks are always going to be separate from other attacks. A simple, non-spell touch attack, like Lorekeeper, could be one touch attack as part of a series of attacks, but thats just my opinion.
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One exception: Once you hold the charge of a mele touch spell (if possible) it can be discharged as part of an unnarmed strike. Note that it can't happen in the same round when you cast the spell (except maybe AoOs)
This might have been right in 3.5, but I can't find anything in Pathfinder's Magic chapter under Touch Spells or Holding a Charge that suggests that this is true at all.
A touch spell and an unarmed strike or natural attack cannot be combined, by my understanding.
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PathfinderEspañol wrote:One exception: Once you hold the charge of a mele touch spell (if possible) it can be discharged as part of an unnarmed strike. Note that it can't happen in the same round when you cast the spell (except maybe AoOs)This might have been right in 3.5, but I can't find anything in Pathfinder's Magic chapter under Touch Spells or Holding a Charge that suggests that this is true at all.
A touch spell and an unarmed strike or natural attack cannot be combined, by my understanding.
you still can. if pf didn't specifically change something, the same rules apply as before.
also look at holding the charge
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.