I support you.
I understand This thread is a psionic thread, so don't dare reply!
I don't know why psionics discussions can never be civil but it seems like they all turn sour.
Honestly because there are a few posters who are very pro the alt magic system that must shout down and prove anyone with any dislike of the XPH "wrong" no matter what the dislike is they must be "wrong' as it is the best magic system ever made it seems.
Over all the threads are civil until they get there.
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I don't know why psionics discussions can never be civil but it seems like they all turn sour.
Honestly because there are a few posters who are very pro the alt magic system that must shout down and prove anyone with any dislike of the XPH "wrong" no matter what the dislike is they must be "wrong' as it is the best magic system ever made it seems.
Over all the threads are civil until they get there.
I really want to reply to this, but doing so would bring the debate here, so I won't.
I will say, as a Pro-pointsystem guy, I have avoided most psionics threads for some time.
Hey, I understand. I gave up on them more than a year ago. It's better for my mental health. :)
For reasons that totally escape me, it's a hot button topic. I love psionics. But I've utterly given up on ever having intelligent conversation on the subject. Between the people who are totally married to the points based system and the ones who are determined to prove psionics are broken based on faulty rules understanding, I realized that I was spending way too much time being pissed off. (I don't mind the ones who have a legit question or concern, it's the ones who never read the book and refuse to acknowledge any links, references, page numbers, etc that refute their pet theory that make me crazy.) It's the internet. I can just walk away. So I did. :)
I will say, as a Pro-pointsystem guy, I have avoided most psionics threads for some time.
I am not saying anyone that likes the system is like that. However take this last thread. The OP is a pro guy and asked the other pro guys not to post, not to argue and not to point out flaws or try to prove folks wrong as he wanted to get as many people to post as he could
The first page you had a few guys that replied to every single post, even after the OP asked them repeatedly to stop.
So don't take it as an attack on all people who are pro the point system, it wasn't meant as such.
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Oh, I didn't mean to sound defensive. I didn't take your comments personally at all.
Some people can be 'overzealous' in their defense of systems they like, I know that. Some can also be overly aggressive in championing their 'fixes' to systems as well. The two beasts feed each other in a never ending cycle.
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I have avoided them like the plague they are. I have always been pro psionics as far as the power point and adjustable powers are concerned. I have all but removed vanacian spell casting from many games. I just no longer, and have not, cared for it for some time. Yeah the psionics system had a few flaws but damn so did everything else.
An internet gaming mechanics debate forum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
Hero 4 eva!!!11
Effects based may be bland, but at least it is built into the framework with some semblance of balance.
I have found any power that allows a PC to read NPC's minds problematic in campaigns. However, I would much rather it be included in the game allowing me, as a GM, to exercise my right to tell a player no for a given campaign.
I don't know why psionics discussions can never be civil but it seems like they all turn sour.
Honestly because there are a few posters who are very pro the alt magic system that must shout down and prove anyone with any dislike of the XPH "wrong" no matter what the dislike is they must be "wrong' as it is the best magic system ever made it seems.
Over all the threads are civil until they get there.
Form our perspective, the problem is when people bring up reasons for disliking psionics that aren't actually true, such as when someone mentions that 3.5 psionics are overpowered because you can't use wizard magic against them :)
Only here for purposes of following the thread.
Form our perspective, the problem is when people bring up reasons for disliking psionics that aren't actually true, such as when someone mentions that 3.5 psionics are overpowered because you can't use wizard magic against them :)
I don't know why psionics discussions can never be civil but it seems like they all turn sour.
Honestly because there are a few posters who are very pro the alt magic system that must shout down and prove anyone with any dislike of the XPH "wrong" no matter what the dislike is they must be "wrong' as it is the best magic system ever made it seems.
Over all the threads are civil until they get there.
The few times I done psionics, I chose the "psionix IS magic" option and went with that.
At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century.
...I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads but noone in this thread has said that Psionics is to Sci-Fi for them in this thread...
Thanks. I was wondering what the hell he was talking about.
Oh. And can you please take your chocolate out of my peanut butter. OTD is for bashing Christians and Republicans and Sebastian¹. Not people who don't like Psionics.
¹I assumed people would know I was joking, at least partially, but then it occurred to me this is an internet forum and for the sake of the sarcastic impaired, I best make it clear I do not think the OTD is for bashing Christians or Republicans. Feel free to swing away at Sebastian though.
You forgot the carpet soiling!
At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century.Your putting the cart before the horse here, I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads but noone in this thread has said that Psionics is too Sci-Fi for them in this thread...
Yes, please refrain from cutting and pasting. *sigh*
You forgot the carpet soiling!
What are the odds?
You forgot the carpet soiling!What are the odds?
Great rugs think alike.
At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century........I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads...
Clearly, I failed my Joke Roll. That wasn't originally my argument. I just....borrowed it...from all the other psionics threads further up the boards.
Clearly, I failed my Joke Roll. That wasn't originally my argument. I just....borrowed it...from all the other psionics threads further up the boards.At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century........I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads...
I'm sure you just cut and pasted this argument from somewhere else too. *sigh*
Cut and paste
Paste and cut
thats what makes good posting nuts
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Does a gish use psionics?
No, that would feel too much like a Jedi for a Fantasy setting.
I don't know why psionics discussions can never be civil but it seems like they all turn sour.
Honestly because there are a few posters who are very pro the alt magic system that must shout down and prove anyone with any dislike of the XPH "wrong" no matter what the dislike is they must be "wrong' as it is the best magic system ever made it seems.
Over all the threads are civil until they get there.
My game is just now after 10+ yrs of playing the DM is allowing psionics because it's such a huge part of eberron he kindda felt he was doing us players a disservice by not allowing it.
It doesn't seem like a big deal to me one way or the other one of the psions is the blaster caster because he can do 60ft cones and change energy types at a whim but the other psion makes theses mind constructs out of plasma and has them be our tank. Taht leaves the mage(me) to be the utility guy and the cleric dosn't have to heal us as much cause nobody gets into melle anymore. All in all we are haveing a ball with psionics. I personally can't see myself playing one simply because I think other casters are better flavor wise but from straight math damage dealing psions are great.
Does a gish use psionics?No, that would feel too much like a Jedi for a Fantasy setting.
Hey CF when did you peek into our game?
Our resident psion runs around in a hooded cloak and robes, waits till the enemy is close to the wall for the extra 2d6, we call that power his force push. He's saveing up all his money so he can have a brilliant energy longsword(lightsaber)All in all our DM is laughing to hard to stop him and the rest of us can't wait to see the goblin version of yoda. Ya gotta love eberron.
I had a player once tell me point blank he wanted to play a fantasy version of a Jedi. It is all good to me. I want my players to enjoy their characters.
I happen to really like Eberron too. I am sure this all would make me a heretic if I weren't already the Anti-Christ himself for loving me some Hero.
I'm sure you just cut and pasted this argument from somewhere else too. *sigh*Clearly, I failed my Joke Roll. That wasn't originally my argument. I just....borrowed it...from all the other psionics threads further up the boards.At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century........I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads...
Yes, I believe that is what the term "borrowed it" refers to.
Yes, I believe that is what the term "borrowed it" refers to.I'm sure you just cut and pasted this argument from somewhere else too. *sigh*Clearly, I failed my Joke Roll. That wasn't originally my argument. I just....borrowed it...from all the other psionics threads further up the boards.At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century........I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads...
Just how many of your posts are plagiarized?
Just how many of your posts are plagiarized?Yes, I believe that is what the term "borrowed it" refers to.I'm sure you just cut and pasted this argument from somewhere else too. *sigh*Clearly, I failed my Joke Roll. That wasn't originally my argument. I just....borrowed it...from all the other psionics threads further up the boards.At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century........I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads...
Logically speaking, all posts are plagiarized. Since the human race has now existed for thousands of years, there are no more original thoughts, and we're just copying people who have come before. Need proof? Look at Hollywood.
Rabbit Season!
Logically speaking, all posts are plagiarized. Since the human race has now existed for thousands of years, there are no more original thoughts, and we're just copying people who have come before. Need proof? Look at Hollywood.Just how many of your posts are plagiarized?Yes, I believe that is what the term "borrowed it" refers to.I'm sure you just cut and pasted this argument from somewhere else too. *sigh*Clearly, I failed my Joke Roll. That wasn't originally my argument. I just....borrowed it...from all the other psionics threads further up the boards.At the same time, Vancian spellcasting is cribbed from an actual science and sorcery series, and has spells such as Telepathy, which itself comes from the 19th century........I understand that you like to cut and paste your arguement from the other threads...
I smell a logical fallacy.
*sniff*
No, wait. That's me. Carry on.
Does the boycott include this thread?
I'll count non-response as a "yes."