Ability Focus - Hex


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Liberty's Edge

Does it work? Is this possible? I don't see any real obstacles to this beyond perhaps what specifically qualifies as a "special attack." Since the nature of hexes groups them all together and they share the same DC I am inclined to let this work.
I have a player who is going to be playing a witch and doesn't want to have to dump stats to get a decent save for her hexes.


Problems:

"Special attack" means 1 attack -- not a whole host of attacks, which is what you would get with Ability Focus(hex).

Instead it should be: Ability Focus(Evil Eye) or Ability Focus(Misfortune) and so on.

As such no, it isn't over the top powerful.

Liberty's Edge

Abraham spalding wrote:

Problems:

"Special attack" means 1 attack -- not a whole host of attacks, which is what you would get with Ability Focus(hex).

Instead it should be: Ability Focus(Evil Eye) or Ability Focus(Misfortune) and so on.

As such no, it isn't over the top powerful.

+1

They may be grouped under one heading, but they are still each separate abilities that activate separately and thus each need their own Ability Focus. The feat is mostly meant for monsters that have one or two really good abilities of that sort rather than several weaker ones.


Yeah, Hexes aren't worded the right way for you to be able to multi-dip on Ability Focus with them. You can multi-dip on AF, but it requires a specific ability with separate ways to use it. The 3.5 example is the Warlock's eldritch blast. You could explicitly take Ability Focus: eldritch blast and it would affect EB regardless of which blast shapes or eldritch essences you used on it.


Zurai wrote:
Yeah, Hexes aren't worded the right way for you to be able to multi-dip on Ability Focus with them. You can multi-dip on AF, but it requires a specific ability with separate ways to use it. The 3.5 example is the Warlock's eldritch blast. You could explicitly take Ability Focus: eldritch blast and it would affect EB regardless of which blast shapes or eldritch essences you used on it.

So...Ability Focus: Bombs?

Grand Lodge

I saw this in an optimization guide for witches and also heard it in a podcast and thought it sounded strange. Ability Focus is a monster feat and the Bestiary says "most of the following feats apply specifically to monsters, although some player characters might qualify for them." What allows a player to qualify for a monster feat? Craft Construct is the only example given. All of the feats use the terminology "this creature" except for Craft Construct which uses "you." Is there any clarification on this somewhere?

I also noticed that HeroLab doesn't allow you to select a specific hex with Ability Focus.

Grand Lodge

Herolab has bugs.

Bestiary feats are allowed, unless a DM houserules them out.


Sooooo... What's the consensus on AF Hex?

Does it apply to all Hexes or just one specific Hex?

Silver Crusade

I think you have to take a separate feat for each hex.

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I agree that it should be for each specific Hex, not just blanket "Ability Focus (Hex)". Also note that if you happen to be playing in PFS, you can't take Monster feats without some class feature that specifically says you can.


IDK... I saw an official witch stat block in the Shattered Campaign I'm running. The hexes are marked up as such: special abilities: hex(misfortune, slumber) DC 14. So even the "official example" is a bit ambiguous. It groups them together yet obviously needs to individuate which ones the character actually has.

Scarab Sages

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Herolab has bugs.

True, but they're very good about fixing them if you submit a bug report through Lone Wolf's HL - Pathfinder Roleplaying Game forum. I've submitted several and they've all been addressed within the next couple of updates thereafter.


My GM just ruled out ability focus for my hexcrafter - so any arguments pro using ability focus (slumber) would be nice...

He seems to think ability focus can only be used on "special attacks"
To which i pointet to the changeling witch from the beastiery her Hex is a "special attack"...

Liberty's Edge

Buri wrote:
IDK... I saw an official witch stat block in the Shattered Campaign I'm running. The hexes are marked up as such: special abilities: hex(misfortune, slumber) DC 14. So even the "official example" is a bit ambiguous. It groups them together yet obviously needs to individuate which ones the character actually has.

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Same in a Jade Regent's stat block for a Witch : Special Attacks hexes (misfortune [1 round], slumber [3 rounds])

Note that here it mentions the plural form (hexes) which would point to AF being needed for each different hex.

Still, it seems quite official that hexes are indeed Special Attacks (same as Channel Energy).

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