I don't like the curveblade as it can not be used one handed, but eh thats ok as well. After all we have Falchions and Khopeshes as two handed weapons which still hurts my head and is a WTF item for me.Me too. The Khopesh was a one-handed sword in effect, with a 'hook' to allow easier tripping and dissarming. The Falchion was supposed to be a one-handed weapon, like a heavy scimitar. There WERE two-handed scimitars, but ... well lets just say they were pretty similar to greatswords. And don't get me started on kusari-gamas ...
Heh I so agree, although Khopeshes were used more like axes then anything, but still I agree with ya. Which is way I disagree with folks that want a new stat for the "super sword" as game stats do not reflect the weapon. Of the ones we have two or 3 work fine for the katana why make another stat when it is uncalled for? .
People have romanticized the katana to obscenity, sure it s a good weapon, but other swords were just as effective as well.
Meh so we derail a joke topic with a real subject in place of derailing a real subject with a joke topic.
It s the same thing that always goes on, but in reverse is all
I think the Katana would use the same stats as the Bastard Sword except it would always be masterwork and be less weight and would require Weapon Finesse to use it. Just being a Katana doesn't give one the skill to use it properly. With out weapon finesse you would apply no strength to you to hit with the Katana.
Ya know except a Bastard sword should also be lighter. "Bastard swords" didn't wight 6 pounds any more then a katana did.
Also why the hell should ALL katana's be masterwork?
I'm not sure on how much they weigh exactly in real life but I have taken Kenjitsu and used a Katana as well I have handled a hand and half sword. The difference in weight is obvious and the katana was the lighter weapon by far. So if the Bastard sword is arbitrarily 6 lbs the Katana should be 5 lbs.
It wouldn't have to be Masterwork but to fit the image of what Katana is it should be masterwork. As well you should take the feats I suggested. Nothing says you have to though, that's just suggestions. Maybe I came off as too much like you must do this, that's not my intention though.
My real point is if you want to Katana wielding Samuria then take Fighter this is how you could go about it keeping the Katana fairly normal and balanced while getting the correct flavor.
I would keep it as is, not all bastard swords weighed the same, had the same blade size and balance, yet game wise they all do.
And fighting styles in pathfinder are feats, so I am fine with new feats. Some of it could be built into archtypes as well as they all did not use the same fighting styles.
Honestly I think caviler would be a fine class to place such archetypes in.
but for me if you want it one or two handed then bastard sword it is, if you don't mind tow handed only then yeah curved blade works fine
to be honest both could be "katana" as there are a few types of blades labeled katana's that are not strictly speaking katana's but look alot like em so get lumped into katana
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Bleh. Posted late because people had the gall to make me do actual work on the clock.
The funniest thing about this thread is that folks are seriously, sincerely posting "katanas win 4eva" stuff in here.
First off, let's go ahead and throw out every inkling of the train of thought of comparing real weapons to D&D/PFRPG weapons. PFRPG, following long-standing D&D tradition, doesn't really use historic terminology to refer to half of the weapons in the book. The listed weights might as well have just been rolled on a d20 or just pulled out of thin air, as wildly historically inaccurate as they are. Damage die, crit range and multiplier, follow a certain pattern but are also fundamentally arbitrary. The truth of the matter is that with edged weapons (as with firearms), where you hit counts a lot more than what you hit with. Also, reach matters, and not just 5 ft. vs. 10 ft. A sword (what is in D&D/PFRPG called a "longsword") has about 2-3 feet more reach than a dagger and that half-square of reach is a huge advantage. Most importantly of all, the weapon itself is merely the cutting edge of a weapon system that consists mainly of the person holding it.
But this is an abstract combat system that has requirements to balance weapons mechanically. If katana stats are as uber-l33t as some folks here imagine them, they'd be the PFRPG Win Button and nobody would bother using other, inferior weapons.
The last parting shot I will make is that you should not underestimate the cutlers who made edged weapons, Western, Eastern, or in between. The people who made these weapons were very, very good at it, because their lives depended on it. Weapons from different cultures are different because they were made using different materials, used by different warriors, against different opponents, in different circumstances. In almost all cases these weapons are highly engineered and optimized to perform a certain way for specific reasons. For almost every design decision, there's some kind of tradeoff involved. You can make the blade thicker for better parrying and heavier swings, but it will also be heavier and unbalanced--unless you also add more mass to the hilt, which makes it even heavier--etc. You can make it more flexible, in which case it will get bent easier and not hold an edge as well; or you can make it harder, in which case it will hold an edge better but also be more brittle.
where are you from that you find me saying hell bad language? A 1950's tv show?Also why the hell should ALL katana's be masterwork?Read the title of the thread. Duh.
Also, watch your language young man. Do you text your mother with those fingers?
The fact that usage has become more commonplace than in the 1950s does not elevate it above the 'bad language' threshold.
That said, I'm pretty sure he was at least mostly joking.
I kinda thought the "young man" and "do you ... your mother..." would have made that obvious. *shrugs* Guess I'll have to use brick-like subtlety next time. And for the record, there is no such thing as foul language, but some words work better when they're no used casually. Hell is, to me, not quite one of them.
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This one time I built a fighter who could use two Katanas and the the GM was like, "Nuh Uh!"
So I was like, "Yeah hunh!"
And he was like "No!"
And I was like, "BLAM" and I whipped out my complete warrior book and showed him my feat.
So then he was like, "Whoa!"
And I was like, "Yeah."
:)
And I was all like, "so I bought the whole damn airline b~+!%."
japanese schoolgirls by far make the best ninja. especially with twin katana. Seifuku Top, Sukumizu, Katana, Cat Ears, Loli, Zettai Ryouiki, Glasses, Japanese Schoolgirl, Vampire plus ninja all together makes awesomeness. the ultimate loli assassin.
japanese schoolgirls by far make the best ninja. especially with twin katana. Seifuku Top, Sukumizu, Katana, Cat Ears, Loli, Zettai Ryouiki, Glasses, Japanese Schoolgirl, Vampire plus ninja all together makes awesomeness. the ultimate loli assassin.
Oh my god, how wrong you are. Australians make the best schoolgirl ninjas:
Emily Browning in Suckerpunch.
Woot! I win teh fread!
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japanese schoolgirls by far make the best ninja. especially with twin katana. Seifuku Top, Sukumizu, Katana, Cat Ears, Loli, Zettai Ryouiki, Glasses, Japanese Schoolgirl, Vampire plus ninja all together makes awesomeness. the ultimate loli assassin.Oh my god, how wrong you are. Australians make the best schoolgirl ninjas:
Emily Browning in Suckerpunch.
Woot! I win teh fread!
Oh. My.
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japanese schoolgirls by far make the best ninja. especially with twin katana. Seifuku Top, Sukumizu, Katana, Cat Ears, Loli, Zettai Ryouiki, Glasses, Japanese Schoolgirl, Vampire plus ninja all together makes awesomeness. the ultimate loli assassin.Oh my god, how wrong you are. Australians make the best schoolgirl ninjas:
Emily Browning in Suckerpunch.
Woot! I win teh fread!
Wow. So they do.
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And I was all like, "so I bought the whole damn airline b*~#*."This one time I built a fighter who could use two Katanas and the the GM was like, "Nuh Uh!"
So I was like, "Yeah hunh!"
And he was like "No!"
And I was like, "BLAM" and I whipped out my complete warrior book and showed him my feat.
So then he was like, "Whoa!"
And I was like, "Yeah."
:)
Dude, you speak to me on so many levels, but what?
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japanese schoolgirls by far make the best ninja. especially with twin katana. Seifuku Top, Sukumizu, Katana, Cat Ears, Loli, Zettai Ryouiki, Glasses, Japanese Schoolgirl, Vampire plus ninja all together makes awesomeness. the ultimate loli assassin.Oh my god, how wrong you are. Australians make the best schoolgirl ninjas:
Emily Browning in Suckerpunch.
Woot! I win teh fread!
On the same theme as yours, Korean Americans make great school girl army girls / strippers. But Australians also make great ... pants-less paladins?
(images are semi-safe for work ... or not)
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japanese schoolgirls by far make the best ninja. especially with twin katana. Seifuku Top, Sukumizu, Katana, Cat Ears, Loli, Zettai Ryouiki, Glasses, Japanese Schoolgirl, Vampire plus ninja all together makes awesomeness. the ultimate loli assassin.Oh my god, how wrong you are. Australians make the best schoolgirl ninjas:
Emily Browning in Suckerpunch.
Woot! I win teh fread!
On the same theme as yours, Korean Americans make great school girl army girls / strippers. But Australians also make great ... pants-less paladins?
(images are semi-safe for work ... or not)
What is this! It's attacking my brain with bubblegum flavoring!
*twitches in pain*
I've always wondered one thing about ninjas... so, ninja with katana vs Chuck Norris. Who wins?
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Dude, you speak to me on so many levels, but what?And I was all like, "so I bought the whole damn airline b*~#*."This one time I built a fighter who could use two Katanas and the the GM was like, "Nuh Uh!"
So I was like, "Yeah hunh!"
And he was like "No!"
And I was like, "BLAM" and I whipped out my complete warrior book and showed him my feat.
So then he was like, "Whoa!"
And I was like, "Yeah."
:)
Haha, yeah, I was way off on a tangent there, sorry. I’m not sure if I can begin to explain the thought process that made that post make sense to me.
Actually, I can, it just might not make a great deal of sense to anyone else.
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Chuck Norris is the only force in the universe capable of breaking a katana ... with his pinkie finger.I've always wondered one thing about ninjas... so, ninja with katana vs Chuck Norris. Who wins?Chuck Norris.
Indeed. I once saw him rip a whole in the space time continuum to kill a Ninja who challenged him before that Ninja's own birth. The universe refused to question him for fear of a mega roundhouse kick to existence.
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I heard that George Lucas based Luke Skywalker in RotJ on that one fight seen, but decided that Luke wasn't awesome enough to bear the +6 Unholy Impact Mustache of Ultimate Pleasure.
On the same theme as yours, Korean Americans make great school girl army girls / strippers. But Australians also make great ... pants-less paladins?
(images are semi-safe for work ... or not)
Hmm, Australian, pants-less pally or not, she appears as if she wants to lose, owing to the fact she brought a bastard sword to a katana fight. My money is on pouty Ms Browning.
Maybe if the pally got a katana lightsaber...?
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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked the universe so hard that he travelled back in time to medieval Japan where he gave birth (yes, Chuck Norris is so masculine that he can give birth without being less of a man) to the first ninja.
Zeus is the same way, he gives birth to all kinds of stuff. Their mustache-to-beard-awesome ratio is fairly astounding. I wonder if they're related.
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On the same theme as yours, Korean Americans make great school girl army girls / strippers. But Australians also make great ... pants-less paladins?
(images are semi-safe for work ... or not)
Hmm, Australian, pants-less pally or not, she appears as if she wants to lose, owing to the fact she brought a bastard sword to a katana fight. My money is on pouty Ms Browning.
Maybe if the pally got a katana lightsaber...?
Heheh, all true.
Wow, katana lightsaber - surely the world would explode from the sheer awesomeness?
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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked the universe so hard that he travelled back in time to medieval Japan where he gave birth (yes, Chuck Norris is so masculine that he can give birth without being less of a man) to the first ninja.Zeus is the same way, he gives birth to all kinds of stuff. Their mustache-to-beard-awesome ratio is fairly astounding. I wonder if they're related.
Must be.
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where are you from that you find me saying hell bad language? A 1950's tv show?Also why the hell should ALL katana's be masterwork?Read the title of the thread. Duh.
Also, watch your language young man. Do you text your mother with those fingers?
I was upset by what you wrote.
Not the use of hell, the apostrophe in a plural.
[/wailing and gnashing of teeth]
Oh that, eh I mangle grammar much worse then that on average
Wow, katana lightsaber - surely the world would explode from the sheer awesomeness?
You talk as if it had *never* been considered!
Here, let me google that for youEDIT: Oop! Even better! Check this Awesomesauce out.
I've always wondered one thing about ninjas... so, ninja with katana vs Chuck Norris. Who wins?
Brokeback Mountain is also the name of the pile of dead ninjas in Chuck Norris's front yard.
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I've always wondered one thing about ninjas... so, ninja with katana vs Chuck Norris. Who wins?Brokeback Mountain is also the name of the pile of dead ninjas in Chuck Norris's front yard.
Mark L. Chance | Spes Magna Games
Damn you! That mental image will not ...go...away.....
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I think the Katana would use the same stats as the Bastard Sword except it would always be masterwork and be less weight and would require Weapon Finesse to use it. Just being a Katana doesn't give one the skill to use it properly. With out weapon finesse you would apply no strength to you to hit with the Katana.
I'm thinking the feats that would be used with Katana to match it traditional use would be.
Weapon Focus and Furious Focus would give the power accuracy of the weapon.
Improved Critical, Power Attack, weapon specialization and Bleedling Critical adds to the lethality of the weapon.Weapon focus for accuracy.
Only thing missing is the ability to Watershed, the defensive part of the Katana, which could be added as feat for the Katana that allows a +2 AC to block a blow with the flat of the blade braced against you arm.
With this the Katana really isn't any better than any other exotic weapon and it's your feat selection that makes it truly a deadly weapon.
Style feats would be good for warriors in general. Take feat X, Y, Z, B, D and get Q as a bonus effect. Non fighters could take the feats, their investment would just be more substancial.
Though wouldn't watershed be reflected in combat expertise? I mean you can't strike as effectively with the flat of the blade braced against the arm.
I'd also add improved sunder to your list. Not for the 'katana cut through everything' meme, but to reflect being better able to block with the (more durable) back of the blade instead of the edge. That bonus to avoid being sundered is waht I was thinking of.
I suppose if you want to completely ignore history, then, yes, katanas are bastard swords. But, if you want a historically accurate rpg (and, let's face it, historical accuracy has long been one of D&D's main selling points), then a katana needs its own stats. It should do 3d12 damage, have a critical hit range of 12-20/x6, and be immune to sunder attacks because it is made of microscopic layers of steel and vibranium.Actually, Katanas were made they way they were because of the abysmal quality of Japanese steel. Without the layering, the Katana would otherwise shatter at the first strong exchange of blows. I'd say that a masterwork sword made of Damascus steel would stand straight up to an average katana. There are just not that many of them which have a family history of being handed down father to son, which accounts for the legendary mystique attached to katanas.
I've too studied ninpo. Ninja didn't use katana. They used ninja-to, which are short, straight blades. Come to thinkof it, ninja used whatever was on hand - obi, geta, pudgy geisha - anything!
I've too studied ninpo. Ninja didn't use katana. They used ninja-to, which are short, straight blades. Come to thinkof it, ninja used whatever was on hand - obi, geta, pudgy geisha - anything!
Very true! shinobigatana were of really bad quality, and most ninja would grab a katana if they had the chance. The katana steel was of high quality, though.
I've too studied ninpo. Ninja didn't use katana. They used ninja-to, which are short, straight blades. Come to thinkof it, ninja used whatever was on hand - obi, geta, pudgy geisha - anything!Very true! shinobigatana were of really bad quality, and most ninja would grab a katana if they had the chance. The katana steel was of high quality, though.
You would make the Bujinkan proud!
I once saw a ninja and a pirate fighting. They were both killed by a lumberjack.
Is it possible that a lumberjack's axe is more powerful than the katana and cutlass combined!!!!?
+9001
The last thing you will ever see is 200+ pounds of bearded, flapjack eating, flannel-wearing muscle and pure testosterone laughing heartily as he hacks you clean through as if you were a sapling.
Well I could agree except the masterwork part, some were master work but no where near all would count as that just like not every longsword counts as masterwork.