APG Totem Druid Natural Attacks


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How do you rule the use of the additional attacks granted from the aspect's natural weapons?

i.e. Wolf gets a bite attack, Bear gets 2 claws + 1 bite, etc.

Can the bear aspect attack with all 3 natural attacks without any penalties?

Can the wolf aspect swing his scimitar (or similar) then also perform a bite attack as part of a full round action? Which attack, if any, receive penalties?

The most relevant section comes from the combat section...

Quote:


You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. In addition, all of your attacks made with melee weapons and unarmed strikes are made as if you were two-weapon fighting. Your natural attacks are treated as light, off-hand weapons for determining the penalty to your other attacks. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.


Yes, a player or creature how has multiple primary natural attacks may attack with all of them at no penalty on a full attack. That's why they get such a limited use of them per day.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Eben TheQuiet wrote:
Yes, a player or creature how has multiple primary natural attacks may attack with all of them at no penalty on a full attack. That's why they get such a limited use of them per day.

I'm pretty sure the way it works is:

If you attack with just natural weapons, they work as primary natural weapons (full attack bonus, full STR bonus to dmg).

If you attack with a weapon and natural weapons (not including whatever hand(s) you are using for the weapon), any natural weapon attacks are treated as secondary weapons (-5 to hit, 1/2 str bonus to dmg). Multiattack would mitigate this to -2 to hit.

I see in the quote above that it says TWF penalties also apply, though, and I'd have to look more closely to see what that means, cuz that would be a pretty hardcore thing to stack on top of the secondary natural weapon penalties that already exist.


The TWF applies your weapon or unarmed (not Natural) attacks.

So if attacking with a sword in your main hand and a bite, you would apply the (main hand) TWF penalty to your main hand (as if you are wielding a light weapon in the other), and the -5 (secondary natural attack) to the bite.

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