Glitterdust - How Does it Work?


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Glitterdust says it "outlines" invisible creatures. What does that mean?

The closest parallel that I can find is the rule that says that an invisible creature underwater displaces the water around him and gains 20% concealment instead of 50%.

Is that what glitterdust should do? How do you handle this spell?


Garden Tool wrote:

Glitterdust says it "outlines" invisible creatures. What does that mean?

The closest parallel that I can find is the rule that says that an invisible creature underwater displaces the water around him and gains 20% concealment instead of 50%.

Is that what glitterdust should do? How do you handle this spell?

It means for the purposes of targeting, and 'knowing' where they are, invisible creatures hit with glitterdust are visible. The no longer have any misschance, or any of the advantages of being invisible.


It would negate any concealment

Per the SRD:

A cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, causing creatures to become blinded and visibly outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell. All within the area are covered by the dust, which cannot be removed and continues to sparkle until it fades. Each round at the end of their turn blinded creatures may attempt new saving throws to end the blindness effect.

Any creature covered by the dust takes a -40 penalty on Stealth checks.

Liberty's Edge

Think of it as if you're dumping a bucket of sticky gold paint all over the invisible target. The target loses all concealment because the paint, coming into contact with the its physical form, has betrayed its location.


Yep, and the best thing about it is that it opens up the possibility of doing the same thing with more mundane materials, like ink.

I had a player use a thurible to spray ink around in a small room to find an invisible enemy once. Of course, it turned out that the enemy was already directly adjacent to the character, acted next in initiative, and the character was a total paper tiger....

But hey, they found the invisible monster!

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

Bags of flour work great. In a pinch a cloak will work too--throw it over the invisible guy and wrap him up in it.

Dark Archive

Sorry, slightly off topic, but when I read that title, the first thing that popped into my head is, "It's a miracle Yo! Don't be trusting your DM, he is lying and getting me pissed.." Grr, stupid ICP song..

ON topic -

As people have pointed out, it coats the target and makes the outline of them appear. (kind of like the fairy fire spell).

I have always worked it that flour, cloaks and arrows become owned by the target and thus become invisible once they hit them. But takig a look at the spell now it states:

Quote:
Items dropped or put down by an invisible creature become visible; items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature.

Which to me states that the item will stay visible as long as it is not covered by invisible clothing. Does make getting that lucky arrow into an invisible thing a great plus, since then everyone can just attack the arrow as it floats around.

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There is also the issue that it has a duration of 1 round per level. I have recently seen it argued that the cloud itself remains as an obstacle for the duration during which any creature entering the cloud would be subject to the Glitterdust effect.

It's not how I have played it or seen it played in the past, but you certainly could read it that way. What is intended?

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Kolokotroni wrote:
It means for the purposes of targeting, and 'knowing' where they are, invisible creatures hit with glitterdust are visible. The no longer have any misschance, or any of the advantages of being invisible.

Is an outline enough for a ranger get his favored enemy bonus? Which he doesn't get against invisible foes.


My guess is that a Ranger as long as he has any working senses gets their favored enemy bonus. They likdely just 'know'

Heres an example maybe usng the ability to notice your FE.

You have FE Elf and one is walking towards you with 4 humans.
You cant see the humans but yu can littleraly 'pick out the elfs footsteps from the 4 humans' Representing the bons you get to percieve tem

same goes with an invisible Elf showing up, you just 'know' your anger or whatever.


Charlie Bell wrote:
Bags of flour work great.

Beware of open flames when filling the air with a fine cloud of combustible material. :D


ZappoHisbane wrote:

Beware of open flames when filling the air with a fine cloud of combustible material. :D

I keep waiting for our GM to respond 'the room is filled with methane' everytime I say 'I activate my flaming sword'

:)

Dark Archive

Hang on... so you're saying a character covered in glitter is 'outlined' so clearly that he doesn't even gain concealment, even though a character who is completely outlined by water does gain concealment.


Garden Tool wrote:
Hang on... so you're saying a character covered in glitter is 'outlined' so clearly that he doesn't even gain concealment, even though a character who is completely outlined by water does gain concealment.

Yes, Magic has its advantages, and water tends to refract.

Contributor

Yes, being outlined by *transparent water* isn't nearly as bad as being outlined by *glowing golden dust.*


Garden Tool wrote:

Glitterdust says it "outlines" invisible creatures. What does that mean?

The closest parallel that I can find is the rule that says that an invisible creature underwater displaces the water around him and gains 20% concealment instead of 50%.

Is that what glitterdust should do? How do you handle this spell?

Have a look at this thread on Glitterdust.

Scroll down to see comments from Jason Bulhman (or however it's spelled).

All Glitterdust does is apply a -40 on hide checks.


He also said later in that thread:

Glitterdust kills invisibility and all the rules that go with it.
Glitterdust has no effect on other forms of concealment.
Glitterdust also makes it very difficult to hide and might blind you.

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Huh, yeah.. that thread you linked to contridicts you.

Jason Buhlman wrote:

Alright, looks like I got too cute with the logic behind my explanation. Let me be clear...

Glitterdust kills invisibility and all the rules that go with it.
Glitterdust has no effect on other forms of concealment.
Glitterdust also makes it very difficult to hide and might blind you.

That is all... (as it is currently worded).

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing


Garden Tool wrote:
Huh, yeah.. that thread you linked to contridicts you.

It's the same thread...

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Blake Duffey wrote:
Garden Tool wrote:
Huh, yeah.. that thread you linked to contridicts you.
It's the same thread...

Yes. That's the point.


I believe the intent of his later posts was clarity.

He stated: "Glitterdust kills invisibility and all the rules that go with it. "

I believe this addresses your original question?


I didn't want to start a new thread, so I wanted to get some clarification on how glitterdust would work in a situation such as fighting a will-o-wisp. When it is making it's stealth check (+25 natural) and is invisible and hit with a glitterdust (+40 and -40 to stealth), is invisibility just canceled out making its stealth bonus a +25 or is the -40 applied after the invisibility is taken off making it a -15?

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