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When my rogue reached 4th level, I may choose to increase her INT from 11 (0 bonus) to 12 (+1 bonus). She currently has 24 (8*3) total skill ranks (always extra hit point rather than extra skill).
With the increased INT, will she have 33 (8*3+9) skill ranks total or 36 (9*4)? That is, is the bonus for increased INT retroactive?
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When my rogue reached 4th level, I may choose to increase her INT from 11 (0 bonus) to 12 (+1 bonus). She currently has 24 (8*3) total skill ranks (always extra hit point rather than extra skill).
With the increased INT, will she have 33 (8*3+9) skill ranks total or 36 (9*4)? That is, is the bonus for increased INT retroactive?
To your last question: yes, it is.
So, you will have 36 skill ranks total.
Do note, however, that INT bonuses from items work a little differently. They have a specific skill already keyed into them, and when wearing the item (after 24 hours, I believe), your rank in that skill becomes equal to your level. This occurs for each +2 to INT you get from equipment.
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When my rogue reached 4th level, I may choose to increase her INT from 11 (0 bonus) to 12 (+1 bonus). She currently has 24 (8*3) total skill ranks (always extra hit point rather than extra skill).
With the increased INT, will she have 33 (8*3+9) skill ranks total or 36 (9*4)? That is, is the bonus for increased INT retroactive?
It sure is. Short and sweet, to the point. Skill points are retroactive with int. GL have fun!
Yes your skill points go up.
and badbak is correct.
When an ability score changes, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly. A character does not retroactively get additional skill points for previous levels if she increases her intelligence.
Thanx!
Hawk
In Pathfinder, a character gets retroactive skill points from Intelligences increases. This is a change from 3.5.
Mark L. Chance
Spes Magna Games
Yes your skill points go up.
and badbak is correct.
When an ability score changes, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly. A character does not retroactively get additional skill points for previous levels if she increases her intelligence.Thanx!
Hawk
When answering rules questions about pathfinder it is best to use the pathfinder rules since they are not the same as the D&D 3.5 rule set.
When answering rules questions about pathfinder it is best to use the pathfinder rules since they are not the same as the D&D 3.5 rule set.
And when responding to someone's quotes it is really a good idea to read what he wrote and understand the context in which it was written.
Look again closely Abraham.
1: I said skill points went up.
2: I responded to badbak to his query that this was changed in pathfinder from 3.5
Remember Abraham reading is a skill
Thanx!
Hawk
Then how is Badbak correct when he asked a question?
EDIT for clarification.
Let me put it this way:
You had the correct answer initially (agreed), but you stated someone that asked a question was correct, followed by only posting the wrong rules which stated the opposite of the correct answer without providing context or explaining the difference. Thus you relied on others to realize what you were posting wasn't in fact the rules, but the 3.5 rules and that if they wanted to know if there was actually a change they would have to go and look for themselves.
IF instead you had posted:
"Yes your skill points go up.In 3.5 this was not the case however:
When an ability score changes, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly. A character does not retroactively get additional skill points for previous levels if she increases her intelligence.
However in pathfinder SRD we find:
Ability bonuses with a duration greater than 1 day actually increase the relevant ability score after 24 hours. Modify all skills and statistics as appropriate. This might cause you to gain skill points, hit points, and other bonuses. These bonuses should be noted separately in case they are removed.
Then everything would have been in order with explanations, citations, and clear understanding of what is the case, what was the case and what it means.
In Pathfinder, a character gets retroactive skill points from Intelligences increases. This is a change from 3.5.
Mark L. Chance
Spes Magna Games
Could you link or tell me where to locate this rule in PF PRD? I can't reach that site right now.
Then how is Badbak correct when he asked a question?
EDIT for clarification.
Let me put it this way:
You had the correct answer initially (agreed), but you stated someone that asked a question was correct, followed by only posting the wrong rules which stated the opposite of the correct answer without providing context or explaining the difference. Thus you relied on others to realize what you were posting wasn't in fact the rules, but the 3.5 rules and that if they wanted to know if there was actually a change they would have to go and look for themselves.
IF instead you had posted:
Then everything would have been in order with explanations, citations, and clear understanding of what is the case, what was the case and what it means.
"Yes your skill points go up.In 3.5 this was not the case however:
When an ability score changes, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly. A character does not retroactively get additional skill points for previous levels if she increases her intelligence.
However in pathfinder SRD we find:
Ability bonuses with a duration greater than 1 day actually increase the relevant ability score after 24 hours. Modify all skills and statistics as appropriate. This might cause you to gain skill points, hit points, and other bonuses. These bonuses should be noted separately in case they are removed.
Snip........Meh nevermind.
Thanx!
Hawk
Could you link or tell me where to locate this rule in PF PRD? I can't reach that site right now.In Pathfinder, a character gets retroactive skill points from Intelligences increases. This is a change from 3.5.
Mark L. Chance
Spes Magna Games
Here you go. Directly from www,d20pfsrd.com
Thanks to Specs Magna Mark for this.
Hawk
Increases in INT was not retroactive. Was this changed?
Yes it has changed, in 3.5 it was prone to abuse to get the skill points at a time that was favorable to get the skills cheaper than they otherwise would have been.
The simpler, more efficient skill management in PRPG takes away alot of headache in that area.
- As an aside like mentioned permanent intelligence increases from items have specific skills associated with them, they could thus be less efficient as a result of overlapping with your own skills.
I think what Shadowlord is after a link to the official PRD on this:
You would be correct. I can't reach the d20pfsrd.com from this PC, but I can reach PRD. And in fact prefer to use PRD. I looked in Getting Started / Stats, and Using Skills but didn't find it. I was looking in the wrong section. When in doubt, it's usually in either Additional Rules or Glossary, in this case Glossary. Thanks.
I can't imagine a technical reason why that would be the case.
Not to worry, it has nothing to do with any technical issues on your part.
Overzealous company firewalls ? Many firewalls block game-related sites, but paizo.com is fine (likely firewalls read it as a store, not a gaming website)
Again, you would be correct.
Personal preference is fine.
I have nothing against your site. I just haven't spent as much time sifting through it as I have the PRD. I am already pretty familiar with where everything is located in PRD and find that most everything I need is quite easy to find, even more so than in my hard copy of the Core Rulebook in some cases. But again, a lot of that is due to the fact that it was the first PF rules site I had become familiar with.
Also it had been my impression that PRD was official and SRD was a fan-based site. Which there is nothing wrong with, I have read a bit of the SRD as well and I know you copy most if not all of the rules exactly as they are presented officially, with just a few more helpful explanations in some places than the PRD has. I also believe there is a page where you collect many of the "official answers" given on the forums by designers, which is very useful. However, in light of my impression, if I am going to debate a rule with someone I like to be able to point to the official site/answer, which is why I like to know where it is in the PRD. Please correct me if I am misinformed.