
Urizen |

Urizen wrote:Why can't it be both right and wrong? Oh, wait...Mairkurion {tm} wrote:This sentence is false.The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Nothing in particular. It's just a common mistake, and its getting ever more common as confused notions of "nondualism" permeate our culture.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Minor intellectual rant: I'm sick of people getting the excluded middle wrong. It's not just an apparent contradiction or paradox. It's not just being more complicated or subtle. You CANNOT predicate two mutually exclusive predicates of the same object in the same way. It's impossible. That's why the word "impossible" has meaning. Dumbass.What the hell happened?
Hey, if you can have a three-in-one, then anything's possible.

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:OK, now I'm really intrigued. What do you mean by "nondualism?" Does this have anything to do with the erosion of common sense (e.g. eating cake and having it too)?The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Nothing in particular. It's just a common mistake, and its getting ever more common as confused notions of "nondualism" permeate our culture.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Minor intellectual rant: I'm sick of people getting the excluded middle wrong. It's not just an apparent contradiction or paradox. It's not just being more complicated or subtle. You CANNOT predicate two mutually exclusive predicates of the same object in the same way. It's impossible. That's why the word "impossible" has meaning. Dumbass.What the hell happened?
No. Nondualistic is how folks have recently described in English the perspective in Eastern religions that we used to refer to as Monism. (It seems to be an accurate, literal translation of Advaita in Sanskrit, but that's not one of my languages, so I'm acting on 2nd hand info there.) So, rather than Good/Evil, Death/Life, God/Creation, Subject/Object, "all things are one." This has been taken up in all sorts of naive ways in recent years, even in the public mind. A better way forward is found in David Loy's Nondualism, but I hope to add even more to the conversation by connecting this with the age-old philosophical problem of counting to argue that calling something dualistic or non-dualistic doesn't mean what people have thought, but is instead a strictly comparative statement.

lynora |

Pinocchio wrote:My nose will grow.If Pinocchio is telling the truth then his nose won't grow, so that is a lie. If he's telling a lie, then his nose will grow and he's telling the truth. Oh god, the sky is falling!
It's okay. It will shortly be replaced by something even more insane. ;)

Urizen |

No. Nondualistic is how folks have recently described in English the perspective in Eastern religions that we used to refer to as Monism. (It seems to be an accurate, literal translation of Advaita in Sanskrit, but that's not one of my languages, so I'm acting on 2nd hand info there.) So, rather than Good/Evil, Death/Life, God/Creation, Subject/Object, "all things are one." This has been taken up in all sorts of naive ways in recent years, even in the public mind. A better way forward is found in David Loy's Nondualism, but I hope to add even more to the conversation by connecting this with the age-old philosophical problem of counting to argue that calling something dualistic or non-dualistic doesn't mean what people have thought, but is instead a strictly comparative statement.
Words are tricky.

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Subjectively, it's misleading.Urizen wrote:Analytically, it's true.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Your proposition is fallacious.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
Something's wrong with your subjectivity.

Urizen |

Urizen wrote:Something's wrong with your subjectivity.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Subjectively, it's misleading.Urizen wrote:Analytically, it's true.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Your proposition is fallacious.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
Ironically, says the guy who puts an M&M in his child's nose.
;-)

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Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
Any reply to the statement "The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood" is false.

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Urizen wrote:Something's wrong with your subjectivity.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Subjectively, it's misleading.Urizen wrote:Analytically, it's true.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Your proposition is fallacious.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.Ironically, says the guy who puts an M&M in his child's nose.
;-)
Well, sure. It's just not a relevant something. I wonder how old I was then?

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Any reply to the statement "The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood" is false.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
Hmm...not "Agreed," "Right/Correct/True," or "You're awesome"...

Urizen |

Urizen wrote:Well, sure. It's just not a relevant something. I wonder how old I was then?Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Urizen wrote:Something's wrong with your subjectivity.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Subjectively, it's misleading.Urizen wrote:Analytically, it's true.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Your proposition is fallacious.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.Ironically, says the guy who puts an M&M in his child's nose.
;-)
Old enough to know better?

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Celestial Healer wrote:Hmm...not "Agreed," "Right/Correct/True," or "You're awesome"...Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Any reply to the statement "The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood" is false.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
But... My post was a reply to that statement, and is therefore itself false.

Mairkurion {tm} |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:But... My post was a reply to that statement, and is therefore itself false.Celestial Healer wrote:Hmm...not "Agreed," "Right/Correct/True," or "You're awesome"...Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Any reply to the statement "The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood" is false.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
But a reply might not have propositional content.

Urizen |

My memory of this is vague, but I think I was intending to stop at the widest part part of the M&M so that it could just be pulled back out, but instead the pressure of the nostril just kind of pulled it on in.
You could have asphyxiated her. How do you live with yourself, man? Besides drinking imported beer to drown your sorrows of the past, of course.

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Celestial Healer wrote:But a reply might not have propositional content.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:But... My post was a reply to that statement, and is therefore itself false.Celestial Healer wrote:Hmm...not "Agreed," "Right/Correct/True," or "You're awesome"...Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Any reply to the statement "The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood" is false.Urizen wrote:This sentence is false.The above sentence fails to be a proposition, and so does not get as far as being capable of truth/falsehood.
Are you propositioning me?

Freehold DM |

My memory of this is vague, but I think I was intending to stop at the widest part part of the M&M so that it could just be pulled back out, but instead the pressure of the nostril just kind of pulled it on in.
That's...highly unlikely. Someone rolled a 20(or a 1, or perhaps both) somewhere along the line.
But more importantly, PLEASE tell me you have a picture of your kid with one really large m&m filled nostril. Because that's perfect blackmail material.

Bitter Thorn |

Freehold DM wrote:XDUrizen wrote:Damnit. Wikipedia is obviously in collusion with Wikileaks. I mean, you can't trust anything with 'wiki-' in front of it. Bunch of non-sovereign terrorists.
Can I interest you in a tin-foil hat? Latest in the line of minarchist gear. Act now and I'll throw in a free monkey wrapped in plastic.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
fistbump
You both mock my paranoia! I've been thinking about upgrading my tinfoil hat, but now I'm suspicious that your improved tinfoil hat may contain tracking software. The monkey is tempting too, but I sense a trap!
Hhhmmmm............I'll get back to you.
;)

Urizen |

Urizen wrote:Freehold DM wrote:XDUrizen wrote:Damnit. Wikipedia is obviously in collusion with Wikileaks. I mean, you can't trust anything with 'wiki-' in front of it. Bunch of non-sovereign terrorists.
Can I interest you in a tin-foil hat? Latest in the line of minarchist gear. Act now and I'll throw in a free monkey wrapped in plastic.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
fistbump
You both mock my paranoia! I've been thinking about upgrading my tinfoil hat, but now I'm suspicious that your improved tinfoil hat may contain tracking software. The monkey is tempting too, but I sense a trap!
Hhhmmmm............I'll get back to you.
;)
It's not just a monkey. It's a monkey wrapped in plastic! It's a big difference.

Jyu1ch1 |

Jyu1ch1 wrote:WATCHYOOTALKINBOUT, Fruit of My Loom™?Justin Franklin wrote:You should hear about me and the peanut M&M when I was little. Ya'll are all unaware of what a evil parent Leafy is.Jyu1ch1 wrote:Justin Franklin wrote:At least its not milk. Or pixie sticks.Mairkurion {tm} wrote:Sara Marie? Who's that?You are trying to make me shoot Mt Dew out my nose aren't you?Or a whole peanut I did that once.
I'm trade marked now?

Jyu1ch1 |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:My memory of this is vague, but I think I was intending to stop at the widest part part of the M&M so that it could just be pulled back out, but instead the pressure of the nostril just kind of pulled it on in.That's...highly unlikely. Someone rolled a 20(or a 1, or perhaps both) somewhere along the line.
But more importantly, PLEASE tell me you have a picture of your kid with one really large m&m filled nostril. Because that's perfect blackmail material.
I'm sure he would have took a picture if I wasn't in super freak out mode.

Urizen |

Hello my good friends and not quite neighbors! How was everyones weekend? Mine was awesome, took the kids to see Santa Sunday, I thought Riley was going to start hyperventilating he got so excited.
It was Riley that was excited, right? Else, I'd pummel Mall Santa and then yank out his spine.

Bitter Thorn |

Bitter Thorn wrote:It's not just a monkey. It's a monkey wrapped in plastic! It's a big difference.Urizen wrote:Freehold DM wrote:XDUrizen wrote:Damnit. Wikipedia is obviously in collusion with Wikileaks. I mean, you can't trust anything with 'wiki-' in front of it. Bunch of non-sovereign terrorists.
Can I interest you in a tin-foil hat? Latest in the line of minarchist gear. Act now and I'll throw in a free monkey wrapped in plastic.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
fistbump
You both mock my paranoia! I've been thinking about upgrading my tinfoil hat, but now I'm suspicious that your improved tinfoil hat may contain tracking software. The monkey is tempting too, but I sense a trap!
Hhhmmmm............I'll get back to you.
;)
Really?
Cool!
How big is the monkey? Does it come with a foil hat of its own?
No!
I must resist the seduction of the of the plastic wrapped tinfoil monkey hat trap thing!

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No. Nondualistic is how folks have recently described in English the perspective in Eastern religions that we used to refer to as Monism. (It seems to be an accurate, literal translation of Advaita in Sanskrit, but that's not one of my languages, so I'm acting on 2nd hand info there.) So, rather than Good/Evil, Death/Life, God/Creation, Subject/Object, "all things are one." This has been taken up in all sorts of naive ways in recent years, even in the public mind. A better way forward is found in David Loy's Nondualism, but I hope to add even more to the conversation by connecting this with the age-old philosophical problem of counting to argue that calling something dualistic or non-dualistic doesn't mean what people have thought, but is instead a strictly comparative statement.
Ah, I see, I think. I have noticed the growing trend, especially from people like this.
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Moorluck wrote:Hello my good friends and not quite neighbors! How was everyones weekend? Mine was awesome, took the kids to see Santa Sunday, I thought Riley was going to start hyperventilating he got so excited.It was Riley that was excited, right? Else, I'd pummel Mall Santa and then yank out his spine.
You are a good uncle my brother from another matron mother.

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Urizen |

Urizen wrote:It's not just a monkey. It's a monkey wrapped in plastic! It's a big difference.Really?
Cool!
How big is the monkey? Does it come with a foil hat of its own?
No!
I must resist the seduction of the of the plastic wrapped tinfoil monkey hat trap thing!
In fact, you have one within the contents ... of your wallet.

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I've been watching old episodes of South Park while I paint, and it just hit me how much this particular episode ("Good Times With Weapons") reminds me of when I was a kid.

Urizen |

Urizen wrote:You are a good uncle my brother from another matron mother.Moorluck wrote:Hello my good friends and not quite neighbors! How was everyones weekend? Mine was awesome, took the kids to see Santa Sunday, I thought Riley was going to start hyperventilating he got so excited.It was Riley that was excited, right? Else, I'd pummel Mall Santa and then yank out his spine.
I didn't even delve into the postmortem process. =)

Bitter Thorn |

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:No. Nondualistic is how folks have recently described in English the perspective in Eastern religions that we used to refer to as Monism. (It seems to be an accurate, literal translation of Advaita in Sanskrit, but that's not one of my languages, so I'm acting on 2nd hand info there.) So, rather than Good/Evil, Death/Life, God/Creation, Subject/Object, "all things are one." This has been taken up in all sorts of naive ways in recent years, even in the public mind. A better way forward is found in David Loy's Nondualism, but I hope to add even more to the conversation by connecting this with the age-old philosophical problem of counting to argue that calling something dualistic or non-dualistic doesn't mean what people have thought, but is instead a strictly comparative statement.Ah, I see, I think. I have noticed the growing trend, especially from people like this.
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Blood almost shot out of my eyes!

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I've been watching old episodes of South Park while I paint, and it just hit me how much this particular episode ("Good Times With Weapons") reminds me of when I was a kid.
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Hey, Shiny, I've listened all the way up to your sixth show. Good stuff. Do you have anything else yet?

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I've been watching old episodes of South Park while I paint, and it just hit me how much this particular episode ("Good Times With Weapons") reminds me of when I was a kid.
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I love the scene with the shuriken. It's just the comic timing of the delayed reaction while Butters has a shuriken in his eye...

Jyu1ch1 |

I've been watching old episodes of South Park while I paint, and it just hit me how much this particular episode ("Good Times With Weapons") reminds me of when I was a kid.
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Leeeet's Fighting looooooove!I would end up being Butters, so accident prone!

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Hey, Shiny, I've listened all the way up to your sixth show. Good stuff. Do you have anything else yet?I've been watching old episodes of South Park while I paint, and it just hit me how much this particular episode ("Good Times With Weapons") reminds me of when I was a kid.
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#7 is up.

taig RPG Superstar 2012 |

taig wrote:#7 is up.The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Hey, Shiny, I've listened all the way up to your sixth show. Good stuff. Do you have anything else yet?I've been watching old episodes of South Park while I paint, and it just hit me how much this particular episode ("Good Times With Weapons") reminds me of when I was a kid.
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Okeedoke. I'll be downloading that one shortly.