im going to be playing a pathfinder game in august and im considering an elf fighter. basically i wanna be a twf with curved elven blades is there any to do it nicely?
Kukris and a good imagination.
Slightly (and I do mean slightly) more seriously, Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).
Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).
i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
That drops it to -4/-4...
That drops it to -4/-4...Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
but wouldnt it be -2/-6?
but wouldnt it be -2/-6?That drops it to -4/-4...Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
Nope. -2 to each attack because they are the wrong size for you, -2 because they are one-handed weapons used with Oversize TWF. -4/-4.
Nope. -2 to each attack because they are the wrong size for you, -2 because they are one-handed weapons used with Oversize TWF. -4/-4.but wouldnt it be -2/-6?That drops it to -4/-4...Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
just to clarify everything the -4/-4 + -2/-6(twf) to a total of -6/-10. or should i just use kukuris?
just to clarify everything the -4/-4 + -2/-6(twf) to a total of -6/-10. or should i just use kukuris?Nope. -2 to each attack because they are the wrong size for you, -2 because they are one-handed weapons used with Oversize TWF. -4/-4.but wouldnt it be -2/-6?That drops it to -4/-4...Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
No, the -4/-4 is total. The -2/-6 is irrelevant if you're taking Two Weapon Fighting (which I assumed you were, and which you have to do to get Oversize TWF anyway).
No, the -4/-4 is total. The -2/-6 is irrelevant if you're taking Two Weapon Fighting (which I assumed you were, and which you have to do to get Oversize TWF anyway).just to clarify everything the -4/-4 + -2/-6(twf) to a total of -6/-10. or should i just use kukuris?Nope. -2 to each attack because they are the wrong size for you, -2 because they are one-handed weapons used with Oversize TWF. -4/-4.but wouldnt it be -2/-6?That drops it to -4/-4...Small curved blades could be wielded one-handed, for a total of -6 to your attacks (assuming you take TWF).i am aloud to use feats from 3.5 so i could use oversized twf
ok thank you for the info
Normal penalties for TWF (without the feat) are -6/-10.
With the feat they are -2/-6.
If the offhand weapon is light, they are -2/-2.
Since the feat would allow you to use the one-handed weapon as if it were light, then the penalty would still be -2/-2.
However, since an Elven Curve Blade is a two-handed weapon, this feat will not allow you to do what you want.
The Monkey Grip feat would allow you to use the 2-handed weapon in one hand, albeit at a -2 to attack.
So with TWF and MG, you would achieve, at best, -4/-8 to attack. Now, if you also had the Oversized TWF feat, then you're penalty to attack would drop to -4/-4.
Basically, in order to achieve the -4/-4 with dual Elven Curved Blades, you require TWF, Oversized TWF, and Monkey Grip.
Wasn't there a martial style that negated those penalties entirely? There ought to have been.. I'd have houseruled something so that once you got the penalties down to -2/-2, there'd be one more feat you can take to lose the penalties entirely.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Perfect Two Weapon Fighting from the Epic Level Handbook. It removed those penalties but the prereq for it was the entire TWF feat chain.
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im going to be playing a pathfinder game in august and im considering an elf fighter. basically i wanna be a twf with curved elven blades is there any to do it nicely?
No... not any more than you could do it with two greatswords. The Elven Curved Blade is not so much a light weapon, just superiorly balanced and crafted so that it can be finessed.
oversized two weapon fighting and monkey grip. Would be a -4 -4 with two normal sized elven curveblades when two weapon fighting.
oversized two weapon fighting and monkey grip. Would be a -4 -4 with two normal sized elven curveblades when two weapon fighting.
Thanks for the verification.
One of the forums - I think it's the Giant in the Playground ones - has an image for this exact situation. It says, in rather large letters, "Monkey Grip does not work that way."
It did in 3.0. It doesn't in 3.5.
The only way to accomplish what the OP is suggesting is to use Small curved blades.
One of the forums - I think it's the Giant in the Playground ones - has an image for this exact situation. It says, in rather large letters, "Monkey Grip does not work that way."
It did in 3.0. It doesn't in 3.5.
The only way to accomplish what the OP is suggesting is to use Small curved blades.
Monkey Grip would allow you to use large rapiers, normally a 2 handed weapon, as a 1 handed weapon. I believe you would still take the -2 for using an inappropriately sized weapon though, but I don't have the feat in front of me.
Monkey Grip would allow you to use large rapiers, normally a 2 handed weapon, as a 1 handed weapon. I believe you would still take the -2 for using an inappropriately sized weapon though, but I don't have the feat in front of me.One of the forums - I think it's the Giant in the Playground ones - has an image for this exact situation. It says, in rather large letters, "Monkey Grip does not work that way."
It did in 3.0. It doesn't in 3.5.
The only way to accomplish what the OP is suggesting is to use Small curved blades.
[nod] True, and if you wanted them to be slashing weapons (like curved blades are) you could even go with Large scimitars, though you would lose the Finesse-ability of them. The end result is the same, however - -2 for wrong-size weapon, -2 for TWF, final result -4/-4 (and 1d8 damage for the weapons).
If Oversize TWF is an option, though, I think I'd just go with twin scimitars and call it good. Best of both worlds, really, unless being able to finesse them is an absolute requirement.
EDIT: if you're using 3.5 stuff, actually, you'd get better results from taking elven thinblades (Pathfinder elves consider them martial weapons) and Oversize TWF - you get the 1d8 damage die, but only the usual -2/-2 TWF penalties, and they remain Finesse-able if you want them to be.
One of the forums - I think it's the Giant in the Playground ones - has an image for this exact situation. It says, in rather large letters, "Monkey Grip does not work that way."
It did in 3.0. It doesn't in 3.5.
The only way to accomplish what the OP is suggesting is to use Small curved blades.
Hmm, i forgot thats a houserule in my group. We still use the 'sizes' for weapons. You can have a small shortsword or a normal sized dagger, they are different but in our group the effect is the same.
Personally I've always preferred, if I'm going to go this route, to do the following :
Oversized Two-Weapon
Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword)
Then wield dual-katana's. Not finessable, but, the damage output is phenomenal if you have good str (deffinately a STR two-weapon build).
The Monkey Grip feat would allow you to use the 2-handed weapon in one hand, albeit at a -2 to attack.
That is 3.0 DnD, not 3.5. All that DnD 3.5 does it let you wield a larger sized sword as normal, but still with the -2 letting you wield a large two handed sword. You would need to get the EPIC feat that is like an improved monkey grip to do what he wants. Plus, with out the epic feat, you do not get the benefits from the over-sized offhand weapon as the weapon is not one-handed but two.
considering small curved elven blade is 1d8 18-20 x2
and there are exiting weapons like
urumi 1d8 18-20 x2
rhoka 1d8 18-20 x2
and all your losing is 1d10 to 1d8 and you can mitigate alot of the oversized weapon issues and required feats to make it work, why not just use two 1h weapons with basically the exact same stats.
in terms of averages 1d8 to 1d10 is only a difference of 1 dmg.