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Would a golem wearing an amulet of magic fang get a bonus to his slam attacks?
I would think no, as the item is based off the Magic Fang spell, to which spell resistance does apply and thus the golem would be immune to, even though the spell is harmless. (Make Whole has a specific call-out mentioning that it does work on constructs, but Magic Fang does not.)
I'd never considered magical items actually casting spells on people who wear the item.
I would say yes, but I'm unsure. Very fringe case. A character with SR doesn't have to roll spell penetration for each of his continuous magical items every round.
Then again, he owns them, and he would make the checks, so it's technically his spell, and characters with spell resistance don't check spell resistance for their own spells.
Headache.
If a golem wears an amulet of mighty fists in the forest and no-one is around to see it, does it gain a bonus?
I'm going to guess no.
The golem type goes to lengths to portray them as mindless. If the item wasn't designed into their making it will lie on them unattended. The golem will not know its there and will not think to activate it.
They can't use weapons unless they are designed to do so. My intuition says they can't use magic items. If I hang an amulet of magic fang on a chair does the chair benefit?
I can't say its clear though.
Sigurd
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I'd never considered magical items actually casting spells on people who wear the item.
I would say yes, but I'm unsure. Very fringe case. A character with SR doesn't have to roll spell penetration for each of his continuous magical items every round.
Then again, he owns them, and he would make the checks, so it's technically his spell, and characters with spell resistance don't check spell resistance for their own spells.
Headache.
If a golem wears an amulet of mighty fists in the forest and no-one is around to see it, does it gain a bonus?
It's not that golems have SR, it's that they're completely immune to any spell that allows SR, even if the spell is harmless. Make Whole has a specific call-out overruling this blanket immunity, but there's nothing in Magic Fang, which, as I said, is why I suspect a golem would not benefit.
I agree that a mindless golem would not activate a magic item, but I can't see a problem with an item that doesn't require activation, like the amulet of mighty fists. That device simply works as long as it is worn in the appropriate place and there isn't another item already there. And I'd definitely argue against SR making worn items useless - that would mean that a high level monk couldn't use the amulet either. A creature with SR can lower the protection as a standard action, so if nothing else the owner of the construct could command it to drop the defenses long enough to emplace the item.
The blanket immunity to most spells is tricky, though, for items that affect the golem itself - like the amulet - rather than being static or affecting the golem's target - like magic armor or weapons. If you're worried about it, just build in the item's ability when crafting the construct, so that it would be intrinsic to the golem. I'd think that a crafter with both craft construct as well as the appropriate additional craft feat for the item ability would be able to upgrade a construct to mimic wearing the item. A gauntlet of rust on an iron golem can be a lovely thing.
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A gauntlet of rust on an iron golem can be a lovely thing.
It definitely discourages him from spending idle time alone.
Eyes of minute seeing, so he can read the paper, er scroll while he waits for adventures to show up.
It's not that golems have SR, it's that they're completely immune to any spell that allows SR, even if the spell is harmless. Make Whole has a specific call-out overruling this blanket immunity, but there's nothing in Magic Fang, which, as I said, is why I suspect a golem would not benefit.I'd never considered magical items actually casting spells on people who wear the item.
I would say yes, but I'm unsure. Very fringe case. A character with SR doesn't have to roll spell penetration for each of his continuous magical items every round.
Then again, he owns them, and he would make the checks, so it's technically his spell, and characters with spell resistance don't check spell resistance for their own spells.
Headache.
If a golem wears an amulet of mighty fists in the forest and no-one is around to see it, does it gain a bonus?
FYI, spell immunity is functionally the same as unbeatable spell resistance. In fact, the Spell Immunity spell actually uses those exact words. Thus it stands to reason that the same rules for spell resistance also apply to spell immunity.
A monk can lower his spell resistance to receive a magic fang spell.
A monk does not have to lower their resistance to make use of a Amulet of Mighty Fists.
I would say the Golem is in the same boat. The only question is if the Golem's master commands it to lower it's resistance is it smart enough to understand the command?
A gauntlet of rust on an iron golem can be a lovely thing.It definitely discourages him from spending idle time alone.
Heh. I was leaning more toward the "immune to rust" ability, not the "cause rust for others" part.
From the PRD,
A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.
So, yeah, it would work.
The item should work. While the item has a prerequisite of (greater) magic fang and functions like that spell, it doesn't actually cast that spell on the golem. A golem's immunity to spells shouldn't offset that. I've historically seen golems in previous editions with magic weapons. Should those weapons, which were crafted as part of the golem, also have shut down? I'd say no. So the amulet should work.
Pretty sure golems cannot have their immunity to magic lowered. As it is an immunity not spell resistance. Though I would think in the case of the over all topic it's a matter of building the golem with the extra stuff in it. If you want your golem to have a sword hand you build him with a sword etc.