a) if you get two feats at level one, can feat one be a prerequisite for the second?
B) Also for prestige classes, if you need five ranks in skill X, can you take that class as your 5th level and take your fifth rank at the same time?
C) if an item allows you to meet a fetes prerequsite, you take said feet, and then the item is destroyed, what happens?
a) if you get two feats at level one, can feat one be a prerequisite for the second?
B) Also for prestige classes, if you need five ranks in skill X, can you take that class as your 5th level and take your fifth rank at the same time?
C) if an item allows you to meet a fetes prerequsite, you take said feet, and then the item is destroyed, what happens?
Preface all my answers with "as far as I know".
a) Yes.
b) No - this has to do with the order in which you apply things. You choose your class before you apply skill ranks, so you don't have the 5th rank when you choose your class, ergo you can't take the last necessary rank with the first level of the class - you have to have it beforehand.
c) You lose access to anything that requires that ability score until the score is raised higher again. Which means you also lose access to anything that required that feat, since you're ineligible for said feat. It's a good reason to not allow temporary bonuses (even always-on items are temporary bonuses, though manuals that add inherent bonus aren't) to be used to meet prerequisites.
That makes sense, will disappoint the would be dragon disciple though :P
I should have know a DD player was the reason for this, it's come up before on these boards.
Unsure what you mean by this. He's going into lv 4 and just put 4 ranks into his knowledge so he could get his prestige next level. Not sure how dnd factors into that
Oh, sorry about the confusion, DD is the abbreviation of Dragon Disciple. DnD or D&D do not a Dragon Disciple make! ;)
He stills needs 5 ranks in knowledge(arcana) before he can take the class, meaning the earliest he can enter Dragon Disicple is 6th level.
ahh, sorry, not familiar with all the shorthand yet :P He's defiantly not going to be happy though :P
D&D 3.5 either PHB or DMG(not sure which) specifies that always on items like Gauntlets of Ogre Power or Headbands of Intellect count toward feat pre-reqs. I do not know if this changed in Pathfinder though.
Never said they didn't, only that they're temporary bonuses (temporary in this case because it's item dependent, not inherent to the wearer). So sure, you can use them to meet prereqs, but many DMs houserule that you can't because it's a headache when you get hit by a greater dispel and suddenly you don't qualify for the feat that let you qualify for the class that let you qualify for the other class and 2/3 of your abilities are unusable until it comes back on, and you have to go recalculate all your combat stats before your turn comes up. ^_-
D&D 3.5 either PHB or DMG(not sure which) specifies that always on items like Gauntlets of Ogre Power or Headbands of Intellect count toward feat pre-reqs. I do not know if this changed in Pathfinder though.Never said they didn't, only that they're temporary bonuses (temporary in this case because it's item dependent, not inherent to the wearer). So sure, you can use them to meet prereqs, but many DMs houserule that you can't because it's a headache when you get hit by a greater dispel and suddenly you don't qualify for the feat that let you qualify for the class that let you qualify for the other class and 2/3 of your abilities are unusable until it comes back on, and you have to go recalculate all your combat stats before your turn comes up. ^_-
I don't think it is as bad as you are saying (not that it isn't annoying), if you go into a prestige class that has requirements that you lose it isn't a huge recalculation. You keep your BAB, Saves, Hit dice and skill points (and feats from total character level assuming requirements are still met). Pretty much all you are losing is spells and class abilities most of which are going to be easily pointed out by just looking at the PrC tables. Also, any player who is making a character with such a vulnerability should have it figured out before hand as bad things happen on a regular basis to adventurers. Preventive book keeping is very common in our group. Same reason I always keep a "back up" character in mind when playing, you never know when the dice will go against you and things go badly.
Actually if you are in a prestige class you no longer meet the prerequisites for you keep everything -- you just can't take levels in that class any longer until you meet the prerequisites again.
Only classes that specifically state that you lose things cause you to lose things.
Actually if you are in a prestige class you no longer meet the prerequisites for you keep everything -- you just can't take levels in that class any longer until you meet the prerequisites again.
Only classes that specifically state that you lose things cause you to lose things.
Hell that is even less of a headache then ;-)