Inner Sea Poster map wishlist

[Mark Moreland]

I have been given the illustrious opportunity to spend a week in the Paizo offices grueling away at the Inner Sea Poster Map Folio for the entire week after PaizoCon. During that time, Erik and Lisa are kindly putting me up in a hotel at night, but chaining me to a desk piled with all their previously published material during the day. My job? To go through and find every referenced location in Pathfinder Campaign Setting canon and make sure it's represented on the ginormous map. I've got as good a grasp on the setting as anyone, but I'm sure there are extremely esoteric and obscure locations (within the Inner Sea, that is) that I'm going to miss.

So what location name caught your attention? Please provide location name, sourcebook, and page number.

Thanks!

[Brian James]

Can you map where Glimmerhold is located? Module S1 Clash of the Kingslayers

[redcelt32]

I am sure it would be low on the overall list, but how about putting a ruins map marker on the location of capitals or major cities from ancient cultures, like the Thassilonian provinces that stayed above water?

I am not expecting much here, since your overall task sounds fairly Herculean, but thought I would toss this out anyway, maybe to make the bottom of the list :)

[DM Wellard]

hehe ..so you have one week to create the world..shouldn't that be 6 days?

Seriously can we have all the settlements hill ranges and forests from Kingmaker named on the map so we can see how they tie into the world

[Lilith]

My recommendation to you is go through all the setting lines each day. Adventure Paths, Modules, Chronicles, Companions, etc.

[yoda8myhead]

Lilith wrote:

My recommendation to you is go through all the setting lines each day. Adventure Paths, Modules, Chronicles, Companions, etc.

Yeah, reading through all 43 AP volumes in one day will be a cinch ;-)

[Lilith]

yoda8myhead wrote:

Lilith wrote:

My recommendation to you is go through all the setting lines each day. Adventure Paths, Modules, Chronicles, Companions, etc.

Yeah, reading through all 43 AP volumes in one day will be a cinch ;-)

Don't need to read it so much as scan it for proper names. :P

[Cpt_kirstov]

yoda8myhead wrote:

Lilith wrote:

My recommendation to you is go through all the setting lines each day. Adventure Paths, Modules, Chronicles, Companions, etc.

Yeah, reading through all 43 AP volumes in one day will be a cinch ;-)

well... we do have a "what links here?" for the template:city.... Dragonfall, but I'm not sure if that's in the Inner Sea or not off the top of my head.

[Charles Evans 25]

Crying Leaf - the elven settlement which I think Shalelu has connections to, mentioned in the first and third adventure paths, but which I don't think has ever made it onto a map (unless it's in a PFS adventure???). I assume it's somewhere in the same forest as Celwynvian.

Edit:
There are various hints about elves from Crying Leaf scattered through Pathfinder #15, although as I said, it doesn't seem to be placed on any maps I've seen there, in the Player's Guides to the first and third AP's, or in the Campaign Setting.

Further Edit:
Page 12 of Pathfinder #15 says that the ruins of Celwynvian lie 1 day to the west of Crying Leaf, (I assume this means 1 day's travel), although that being travel through forest.

Further Further Edit:
Gah. Comment removed. (Bad posting day here.) Just put it on the map in the right place, please, and best of luck with the project.

[Asgetrion]

Just make sure you get all the Chelish locations and references right...

[Peasant Railgun]

Mark Moreland wrote:

So what location name caught your attention?

I am unlikely to forget Ghasterhall, the Palace of Travesties in the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting p. 143.

And under Isger in the same book, under the section Wanted: Dead in Six Parts there are references to Saringallow, Haugin's Ear and the village of Dustpawn (p. 83).

[yoda8myhead]

Peasant Railgun wrote:

Mark Moreland wrote:

So what location name caught your attention?

I am unlikely to forget Ghasterhall, the Palace of Travesties in the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting p. 143.

And under Isger in the same book, under the section Wanted: Dead in Six Parts there are references to Saringallow, Haugin's Ear and the village of Dustpawn (p. 83).

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

[Elorebaen]

Wonderful opportunity. Do us proud Mark!

[Shieldknight]

Mark Moreland wrote:

My job? To go through and find every referenced location in Pathfinder Campaign Setting canon and make sure it's represented on the ginormous map.

So what location name caught your attention? Please provide location name, sourcebook, and page number.

Thanks!

What products are considered canon? Do PFS scenarios count as canon?

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I think I have seen it posted elsewhere that everything put out by Paizo for Golarion is canon, except for the results of the adventures. So basically items, characters, locations, etc are all official, just not the plots. Other that a few years passing on Golarion, the official version of the world itself is basically the same now as it was before the first adventure was published.

[Peasant Railgun]

yoda8myhead wrote:

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

No, thank you Mark for all your hard work. I look forward to getting the Map Folio.

I've rediscovered some more mysterious places that I vaguely remember being mentioned:

• The Legend of the Whispering Tyrant in Pathfinder #2, refers to Lake Aletheia somewhere in the north p. 79.
  
• The hamlet of Finder's Gulch in Isger (Pathfinder #8, p. 83).
  
• In Pathfinder #10, the Verduran Forest village of Caldamin in Andoran, and Roslar's Coffer in Lastwall, east of the Mindspin Mountains p. 89.
  
• The ruined city of Ganholm in Taldor (Pathfinder #12, p. 83)

The bestiary sections of each Adventure Path volume are a treasure trove of cool places.

[Peasant Railgun]

This is the one I was looking for!

In the article on Thassilon under the section about Cyrusian (Pathfinder #1, p. 74) there is a reference to Torandey as "the only great Cyrusian city still inhabited." I'm picturing it as a settlement built around Thassilonian monuments à la Kaer-Maga, Korvosa and Riddleport.

Also: (contains spoilers for Curse of the Crimson Throne):

Under the Relics of Kazavon in Pathfinder #12 (pp. 62–67) there's mention of

• The Ortwaar Valley, home of Prince Kuiragh.
  
• The Mountain of Frozen Echoes in the Tusk Mountains, Realm of the Mammoth Lords.
  
• Eel's Skull, where the Throne of Nalt lies to this day.

[Mark Moreland]

Peasant Railgun, you are my new favorite poster. While I toil away here at Paizo, it's nice to know I'm not alone. Though this closet they stuck me in is probably less comfortable than wherever you are. Thanks again!

[Vic Wertz]

Mark Moreland wrote:

Peasant Railgun, you are my new favorite poster. While I toil away here at Paizo, it's nice to know I'm not alone. Though this closet they stuck me in is probably less comfortable than wherever you are. Thanks again!

Quiet and back to work, or we'll close up the mail slot in the door!

[yoda8myhead]

Vic Wertz wrote:

Mark Moreland wrote:

Peasant Railgun, you are my new favorite poster. While I toil away here at Paizo, it's nice to know I'm not alone. Though this closet they stuck me in is probably less comfortable than wherever you are. Thanks again!

Quiet and back to work, or we'll close up the mail slot in the door!

You just wait, Vic! A half-giant is going to come and tell me I'm a wizard and take me away from this awful place and then you'll be sorry.

[Ask a Succubus]

yoda8myhead wrote:

Vic Wertz wrote:

Mark Moreland wrote:

Peasant Railgun, you are my new favorite poster. While I toil away here at Paizo, it's nice to know I'm not alone. Though this closet they stuck me in is probably less comfortable than wherever you are. Thanks again!

Quiet and back to work, or we'll close up the mail slot in the door!

You just wait, Vic! A half-giant is going to come and tell me I'm a wizard and take me away from this awful place and then you'll be sorry.

Dear Closeted in Seattle,

I concur that it is indeed a tricky question of whether or not you need to include the stronghold of the orc tribe which Eando Kline burnt to the ground on the map or not? If a Pathfinder erased it from the map does it need to feature or not? Well given that the orcs in question probably attempted to rebuild, and other Pathfinders will want to know where it was anyway, so they can go and have pictures of it painted as souvenirs - the place where a Pathfinder attempted to single-handed burn to death an entire orc tribe after all is probably something of an attraction to Pathfinders of a certain bent - would say that even the ruins need featuring, yes.
If I don't have him too busy with other matters, I may require my correspondence secretary to post a list of places that Eando Kline visited during his journeyings later in this week, but right now there are rather too many pages to Eando's ramblings for him to go through.

Yours,

Ask A Succubus.

[Charles Evans 25]

Sorry about the delay; been busy here with other things.
I've been through the Pathfinder Journals of Pathfinders #1-#12 and noticed the following:
PF #1 (P. 85)
Volume 1 makes a mention of 'the spice markets of distant Vandu', which due to the associated references to a marid and efreet I assume could be somewhere around Jalmeray or in the padishah empire of Kelesh. It might be 'off the map' that you're working on, in consequence.
Volume 3 makes a reference to 'the Far Eastern Isle of Bhopan' which is off the eastern coast of the southern continent. If the 'southern continent' is intended to be Garund (and not somewhere like Sarusan?), then the Isle of Bhopan may or may not be on the map you're working on.
Volume 23 makes a reference to 'the temple of Xanthuun' in the Sodden Lands. (This also gets a brief mention in the Ghol-Gan section of the Lost Kingdoms entry in the current Campaign Setting, Ghol-Gan being in the area geogrpahically part of which encompasses the modern day Sodden Lands.)

PF #2 (P. 77)
A road which runs along the edge of the Mushfens is specifically named as 'the Dry Way'.
PF #2 (P. 79)
In a traveller's tale about a 'whispering tyrant' a 'Lake Aletheia' is mentioned. This is a second or third hand account, so could be regarded as entirely fictitious, or could perhaps name a location in Ustalav or somewhere else associated with the Whispering Tyrant.

PF #5 (P. 75)
Mention is made of the 'golden pagoda temples of distant Qin'. Given that the flavour of this is exotic and oriental, it may well be somewhere out in the direction of Tian Xia, and although perhaps off the edge of the map which you're working on, worth bringing to James Jacobs' attention for the impending Tian Xia book...

PF #8 (P. 72)
Mention is made of a settlement somewhere on the northern edge of the Cinderlands known as 'Urglin'. In fact the whole journal entry is pretty much an account of Eando's trip there.

As a footnote, Pathfinder #11 makes reference to Eando's visit to the stronghold of the Broken Spine tribe, which has gone up in flames by the end of Eando's trip there. If it's worth putting on the map, it seems to be roughly somewhere (on the Belkzen map on P. 60 of PF #11) between The Sleeper (which Eando appeared to visit in PF #10) and Urgir (which Eando arrives at in PF #12), and Eando speculates the stronghold may have been part of the line of castles known as 'the Sunwall' or part of the line known as 'Harchist's Blockade'.

[DM Wellard]

Olegs Trading Post from Kingmaker at least...

[Charles Evans 25]

Two thirds of the journals in Pathfinders #13-#18 seem concerned with the Darklands, and I have't noticed any references in them thus far to places which might need putting on a surface map.

As a reminder, Piren's Bluff (current Campaign Setting) and Perin's Bluff (Last Baron) appear to be the same location, unless Paizo have definitively decreed otherwise, so the module settlement is already on the Andoran map (I think) unless something weird has happened.

There is a reference on page 85 of Pathfinder #1 to a 'Gozarin Necropolis', but I assume that this refers to the necropolis already known of in Osirion. (I assume that the necropolis is placed on the map in the Osirion book, but I don't actually have a copy of that book, so can't check - it doesn't seem to be placed on the Regional or Osirion maps in the current Campaign Setting though.)

[W E Ray]

Hey Mark, have you heard of this website called Pathfinder.Wikia.Com???

It's got lots o' cool info.

;P

Spoiler:

Hey, While Jacobs isn't looking, move Sanpoint south, a hundred or so miles south of Korvosa.

(I'll give ya 20 dollars!)

[Mark Moreland]

I've got over 300 untagged map locations in my spreadsheet at the moment, and haven't even finished mining LoF (and subsequent APs), any Chronicles, nor any Companions. I don't feel like I'll be getting this completely done this week, but should get 500 or so locations mapped before I have to leave on Sunday morning.

Thanks for all the support everyone!

[Erik Mona]

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

PF #1 (P. 85)

Volume 1 makes a mention of 'the spice markets of distant Vandu', which due to the associated references to a marid and efreet I assume could be somewhere around Jalmeray or in the padishah empire of Kelesh. It might be 'off the map' that you're working on, in consequence

Vandu was actually the original name for Vudra. I accidentally misremembered it for the campaign setting, which took precedence over PF#1. So this is really just a mistake reference to Vudra.

[Zuxius]

Row like you believe! Does this include the PFS Mod locations too?

[Adam Daigle]

Mark, blurry dot.

[Branding Opportunity]

Take a look at our Entrances to the Darklands page. Of the places there, the following are not marked on the world maps, or on the smaller maps of those regions (I checked):
*Caves of the Craven (Varisia)
*Dread Dungeons (Galt)
*Earth Navel (Realm of the Mammoth Lords)
*Pyramid of Kamaria (Osirion), although there is a reference to a "Pyramid of Doom" on the inside front cover of OLP that is otherwise not mentioned in the publication, so that may be it.
*Scar Thicket (Cheliax)
*Shadow Caverns (Nidal)

-Alex

[Lilith]

Zuxius wrote:

Row like you believe! Does this include the PFS Mod locations too?

Mark was hard at work reviewing the PFS scenarios on Monday when I stopped in.

[Charles Evans 25]

Okay, I've been through the Legacy of Fire arc fiction:
PF #20 (P. 72)
Mention is made of 'Chiron' which appears to be the name of both a port and the small island which the port is sited on, off the east coast of Garund. Most likely it is somewhere adjacent to Katapesh or Osirion. More about it occurs later in the story, as Channa Ti visits the place.
PF #20 (P. 73)
Mention is made of the 'Mermaid Rocks' which appear to be an extensive rock formation off a stretch of the coast of Katapesh and Osirion.

PF #21 (P. 70)
Mention is made of 'Ziloth', a small market town just north of the border between Katapesh and Osirion.
PF #21 (P. 73)
Mention is made of 'Posdam', a small village, which appears to be the other side of part of the Brazen Peaks range from Ziloth. Posdam is 'a day's walk' from the Brazen Peaks according to Channa Ti when she is speaking to Ratsheek.

PF #23 (P. 75)
Mention is made of an area of sea known as 'The Swells of Gozreh'. It appears to be on the Inner Sea, but it's tricky to be more specific than that as to where it is. I have a sense that it may be close to the Osirion.
PF #23 (P. 74)
Mention is made of an area of sea known as 'Sandusky Shoal'. It appears to be north of The Swells of Gozreh.
PF #23 (P. 79)
A sidebar mentions and gives approximate locations for two merfolk settlements - Chosovosei, and Stormshoal - and mentions a third settlement - Jahyseel of Fire Tide - which it does not locate except to say it is in the Obari Ocean.

I'll try to find the time to go through the Council of Thieves fiction within the next 24 hours. That's the limit of my ability to check the fiction from Pathfinder though, as I don't have any of the parts of 'Kingmaker' yet.
It occurs to me that if you are able to correspond with her, the author of the Channa Ti works might be able to indicate exactly where these places/features of the fiction from Pathfinders #19-#24 are located.

[Mark Moreland]

Thanks, Charles. I'm finishing up Council of Thieves now, which includes the Pathfinder's Journals, so you won't need to worry over scouring them for proper nouns. At this point, it looks like anything that doesn't have a specific location clearly mentioned will get placed wherever there's room or where it makes sense; going back and forth with every author who dropped a name without any references would simply take too long.

[Charles Evans 25]

Mark Moreland wrote:

Thanks, Charles. I'm finishing up Council of Thieves now, which includes the Pathfinder's Journals, so you won't need to worry over scouring them for proper nouns. At this point, it looks like anything that doesn't have a specific location clearly mentioned will get placed wherever there's room or where it makes sense; going back and forth with every author who dropped a name without any references would simply take too long.

I may go over the Council of Thieves Hell's Pawns fiction anyway, in case there's anything worth mentioning for the Campaign Setting thread (plus I can see how it fits or doesn't with the web fiction... :D)

The first four Channa Ti stories in the Dark Tapestry arc are tracking her journey up the coast from Katapesh by boat to Chiron (as far as I can make out) then over land (and under the Brazen Peaks) to the river and up north by barge to Gham's house. Viewed in the context of the whole, it's possible to pick up some additional clues as to likely travel; but part five is a bit of a mystery as to the precise location where it occurs. (Which reminds me I should go and post on the Campaign Setting thread about sea-elves).

Hope you've enjoyed your time over there at Paizo HQ. You're incredibly lucky getting the chance to do the stuff you're doing in my opinion. :)

[Zuxius]

Lilith wrote:

Zuxius wrote:

Row like you believe! Does this include the PFS Mod locations too?

Mark was hard at work reviewing the PFS scenarios on Monday when I stopped in.

Row like your life depends on it!

Most excellent!