Huge Sunblade


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Would it be possible for a medium creature to wield a huge sunblade two-handed to deal 3d8 points of base damage for a -4 on attack rolls?


It would appear so.

prd wrote:
However, a sun blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use.

A huge short sword is a two-handed weapon for a medium character, so I do not see why it would not work.

3d8 yields an average damage of 13.5. A great sword has an average damage of 7 with no to-hit penalty. Power-attacking at -4 with a great sword gives 2d6+12, or an average damage of 19 with the same to-hit penalty, so I doubt that it is even overpowered.

Unless you are focusing on the Vital Strike chain or some other effect that only multiplies weapon damage, the only advantage over a great sword and power attack is that you could take an even bigger to hit penalty by combining the Sun Blade and power attack.


Interestingly enough, a medium sun blade is the size of a bastard sword, 4' long. A large sun blade is 2x that size, and a huge sun blade is 2x that size, which makes a huge sun blade 16' long.

So, shouldn't it have reach? And if it does, since the entire blade is dangerous (this isn't just a small blade at the end of a pole, but rather, a dangerous nasty blade that happens to be the full 16' long), shouldn't it also threaten adjacent squares?

Suddenly, this huge sun blde seems to be able to threaten opponents 5', 10', and even 15' away.

So I suggest getting Combat Reflexes and jack up your dex, because you're going to be a veritable whirlwind of sunny devastation all over your battlefield!

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Changing the size of a weapon won't affect its reach. Thus, a 16' huge Sunblade won't grant reach while a 4' short longspear would.

An the 'benefit' of the Huge Sunblade is mostly the fact that a medium character runs around with a seriously oversized weapon. Mechanically, it's suboptimal. It would probably be a good way to impress Amiri, though.


udalrich wrote:

It would appear so.

prd wrote:
However, a sun blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use.

A huge short sword is a two-handed weapon for a medium character, so I do not see why it would not work.

3d8 yields an average damage of 13.5. A great sword has an average damage of 7 with no to-hit penalty. Power-attacking at -4 with a great sword gives 2d6+12, or an average damage of 19 with the same to-hit penalty, so I doubt that it is even overpowered.

Unless you are focusing on the Vital Strike chain or some other effect that only multiplies weapon damage, the only advantage over a great sword and power attack is that you could take an even bigger to hit penalty by combining the Sun Blade and power attack.

Hmm a Huge short sword would be a two handed weapon for a Large person would it not? and thus not useable by a medium person.


Ughbash wrote:


Hmm a Huge short sword would be a two handed weapon for a Large person would it not? and thus not useable by a medium person.

I agree, I think he is going off where it says Most light weapons are 2 sizes smaller then the users. However a shortsword is 2 feet so it would fall out of the "Most" category

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Ughbash wrote:


Hmm a Huge short sword would be a two handed weapon for a Large person would it not? and thus not useable by a medium person.

I agree, I think he is going off where it says Most light weapons are 2 sizes smaller then the users. However a shortsword is 2 feet so it would fall out of the "Most" category

All light weapons are 2 sizes smaller than the user. Otherwise they wouldn't be light. And a halfling would have to wield a human short sword two-handed.


Jadeite wrote:
Changing the size of a weapon won't affect its reach. Thus, a 16' huge Sunblade won't grant reach while a 4' short longspear would.

Now you're stretching credibility too far. A 16' sun blade has less reach than a 4' spear?

Phooey!

Jadeite wrote:
An the 'benefit' of the Huge Sunblade is mostly the fact that a medium character runs around with a seriously oversized weapon. Mechanically, it's suboptimal. It would probably be a good way to impress Amiri, though.

No, she would just think you're overcompensating for some other, uh, "shortage".

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DM_Blake wrote:
Now you're stretching credibility too far. A 16' sun blade has less reach than a 4' spear?

That's what the rules say. Even worse, a 3' guy (halfling) with a 4' longspear is somehow able to attack someone in melee who is 10' away (lunge). I'm not saying that it makes any sense and would probably ignore it, but that's RAW for you.


Jadeite wrote:

All light weapons are 2 sizes smaller than the user. Otherwise they wouldn't be light. And a halfling would have to wield a human short sword two-handed.

Incorrect. Most are, not all are

PRD wrote:
In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.

In general is not always

Now lets look at light weapons

Axe, throwing
Hammer, light
Handaxe
Kukri
Pick, light
Sap
Shield, light
Spiked armor
Spiked shield, light
Starknife
Sword, short

Now the short sword is 2' long, while the dagger is 1 foot. A light shield is massive next to the dagger, while the starknife is also much larger then the dagger or hand ax.

Sorry man but not all light weapons are tiny

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Jadeite wrote:

All light weapons are 2 sizes smaller than the user. Otherwise they wouldn't be light. And a halfling would have to wield a human short sword two-handed.

Incorrect. Most are, not all are

PRD wrote:
In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.

In general is not always

Now lets look at light weapons

Axe, throwing
Hammer, light
Handaxe
Kukri
Pick, light
Sap
Shield, light
Spiked armor
Spiked shield, light
Starknife
Sword, short

Now the short sword is 2' long, while the dagger is 1 foot. A light shield is massive next to the dagger, while the starknife is also much larger then the dagger or hand ax.

Sorry man but not all light weapons are tiny

Back in 3.0, a dagger was a tiny weapon while a short sword was a small one. A weapon was considered light when it was at least one size category smaller than its wielder. The actual size of the weapon was one smaller than the size of its weapon category, so a dagger would have been diminiutive while a short sword would have been tiny. The greatsword was a large weapon under those rules, therefore two categories larger than the shortsword (as it is now), but three categories larger than the dagger.

With the 3.5 revision, those rules were discarded and any weapon of the categorie small or smaller was made into a light weapon. It's not that the shortsword that isn't a tiny weapon but the dagger (which is diminiutive). The category of light weapons doesn't include weapons that are larger than tiny (except maybe some exotic ones like the sawtooth sabre), but some weapons that are even smaller.


I am gonna disagree with you, a short short is much larger then a dagger or hand ax. They are one handed small weapons, not tiny.

A huge shortsword would be two-handed. But you can rule how ya like in your game

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
A huge shortsword would be two-handed. But you can rule how ya like in your game

I never wrote anything else. Wielding a huge shortsword one-handed would just be silly.


Well yes, but some folks love I mean LOVE silly. :) One man's silly is another mans Super awesome.


The specific dimension of a weapon is irrilevant for its handling by RAW. Whether a Dagger (1 foot-lenght blade), a Short Sword (2 feet-lenght blade) or a Spiked Gauntlet (1 or 2 inches at most), a Light Weapon is still a Light Weapon, and as such... it works as a Light Weapon.

And, by RAW, a Light Weapon for a Huge creature becomes a One-Handed Weapon (-2 hit) for a Large creature, and a Two-Handed Weapon (-4 hit) for a Medium creature.

Now, granted, IT IS a bit silly that a 4-ft. Small Longspear has still reach while held One-Handed (-2 hit) by a Medium creature, but a 16-ft. Huge Sun Blade held by a Medium creature as a Two-Handed Weapon (-4 hit) does not grant a little reach...

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Allowing a 6 foot tall character to wield a 16 foot long weapon is silly regardless of whether it is one handed or two handed or whether the RAW allow it. Are you going to buy a wagon to carry it around between fights?


Need some common sense here, just using the encumberance rules should stop most characters from utilising it, not to mention the momentum dragging you around the map. However the enlarge spell would help to maintain game balance as you would get to use it for short periods and spend the rest of the day dragging it around.


Preacher wrote:
However the enlarge spell would help to maintain game balance as you would get to use it for short periods.

Your weapon would enlarge with you so it would be garg Bastard sword


DM_Blake wrote:
Interestingly enough, a medium sun blade is the size of a bastard sword, 4' long. A large sun blade is 2x that size, and a huge sun blade is 2x that size, which makes a huge sun blade 16' long.

A huge sun blade is 16' long...

and a sun blade is a masterwork bastard sword, which is technically a katana...

which means...

I can finally play Sephiroth in tabletop dungeons and dragons.

Victory accomplished.

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