ok nutty idea
Your a Diabloist, you have an Imp companion who CMB acutally dosent suck when you turn him into a Large Magical Beast or Large Dragon with beast shape 4 or form og the dragon 2.
You then cast Statue on him allow him to become a statue as a free action.
so question
if said Large companion has grappled an enemy and then becomes a staute is the target still grappled ? is it now worse going automatically from a grapple to a pin since if you being bear hugged by a statue there not a whole lot you can do unarmed against hardness 8 stone.
Thoughts ?
Not grappled anymore, merely semi-surrounded by stone. What's the thickness for an appendage? That's going to be an unhappy imp who reverts to pieces of broken stone. :D
well the imp wouldn't be tiny he'd be huge in the form of a dragon so limbs would be pretty thick
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Grappling and then turning into a statue, probably not a whole lot is going to happen. Now if you had them pinned, they could become restrained under a big heavy statue...
Or if you turned into something that could constrict, that would be different. Just being in a grapple with something that turns into stone to me makes it seem like there isn't really anything holding you to it.
Grappling and then turning into a statue, probably not a whole lot is going to happen. Now if you had them pinned, they could become restrained under a big heavy statue...
Or if you turned into something that could constrict, that would be different. Just being in a grapple with something that turns into stone to me makes it seem like there isn't really anything holding you to it.
you dont think that if you have somone in a headlock which is grappling an not exactly pinned they'd be screwed if you became stone.
even if you put your hands around thier neck and then turned to stone they would be unable to get away since thier head would be larger than the hole your hands were making around the neck.
if somone gave you a bear hug (locking their hands behind you, your not exactly pinned beucase they're body is still flexible you still have your footing and you can wriggle free. if that same person is now stone there is zero give/flex to wriggle your way out.
think about if if somone grabs you by the wrist and the hand turn to stone then your effectilty handcuffed. short of being able to disolcating your thumb and then greasing the area your not getting away
hell they could grab you by the hair ear or even put a hand on your weapon and go stone, heh good way to make somone injur themself getting free or disarm someone
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You don't think that if you have someone in a headlock which is grappling an not exactly pinned they'd be screwed if you became stone?
Even if you put your hands around their neck and then turned to stone they would be unable to get away since their head would be larger than the hole your hands were making around the neck.
If someone gave you a bear hug (locking their hands behind you, your not exactly pinned because they're body is still flexible you still have your footing and you can wriggle free. if that same person is now stone there is zero give/flex to wriggle your way out.
Think about if if someone grabs you by the wrist and the hand turn to stone then your effective handcuffed. short of being able to dislocating your thumb and then greasing the area your not getting away
That's fine but none of those are the effects of what happens just because your grappling someone. Entering into a grapple with someone doesn't make it a bear hug, head lock or anything like that, you have to pin them first for those to even become options. That's what the pinned condition is for. So you can pin them and then turn to stone and your DM will probably rule that its reasonably effective, but they'd still be entitled to some an escape attempt.
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You don't think that if you have someone in a headlock which is grappling an not exactly pinned they'd be screwed if you became stone?
Even if you put your hands around their neck and then turned to stone they would be unable to get away since their head would be larger than the hole your hands were making around the neck.
If someone gave you a bear hug (locking their hands behind you, your not exactly pinned because they're body is still flexible you still have your footing and you can wriggle free. if that same person is now stone there is zero give/flex to wriggle your way out.
Think about if if someone grabs you by the wrist and the hand turn to stone then your effective handcuffed. short of being able to dislocating your thumb and then greasing the area your not getting away
That's fine but none of those are the effects of what happens just because your grappling someone. Entering into a grapple with someone doesn't make it a bear hug, head lock or anything like that, you have to pin them first for those to even become options. That's what the pinned condition is for. So you can pin them and then turn to stone and your DM will probably rule that its reasonably effective, but they'd still be entitled to some an escape attempt.
like escape artist, or even a Strength check to break stone.
pretty high DC to break stone
especially thick stone which a large or huge crature would create
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I believe grappling was described more *you have a hold of an arm* and if you want more of a greco-roman wrestling more, that's closer to pinned territory.
So if a statue has a mouth around my arm, since it's not moving anymore, I'll probably just adjust my arm a bit, maybe knock out a tooth or two, and go on to smash the statue.
I picked mouth as the appendage because I figure it would be the most difficult to get out of. A tail or some such would just be a bit of a slide to get free, maybe a little lost skin.
hehehe how bout
you form into a Huge form swallow an enemy and then turn to stone
BURIED ALIVE !
can't cut your way out since stone can't be cut it must be smashed and the swing needed to weild a hammer would be impossible stuck inside the gullet of a Huge critter which is now solid rock