I was told that many people apparently think that other classes bab stack for the purposes of flurry attack. This would make a barb monk multi much more powerful. I wanted to see how many people actually do think that is the case.
Personally it seems pretty clear they wouldn't. Based on this statement:
"For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level. "His monk level not his monk level plus the bab of other classes.
Please state your thoughts.
They stack. Do a search in the rules section and it will come up. The answer is made clear in the conversion document.
"For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level. "
For all characters your BAB is = to the sum of all your class's BAB. Therefore, you add your monk BAB, which in this case is = to monk level with the BAB to your other classes.
I was told that many people apparently think that other classes bab stack for the purposes of flurry attack. This would make a barb monk multi much more powerful. I wanted to see how many people actually do think that is the case.
Personally it seems pretty clear they wouldn't. Based on this statement:
"For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level. "His monk level not his monk level plus the bab of other classes.
Please state your thoughts.
Let's say you're playing a cleric 4/fighter 4/monk 4. For a normal attack action, you use your character's BAB, which is calculated thusly:
(Total BAB) = (cleric's BAB) + (fighter's BAB) + (monk's BAB) = 3 + 4 + 3 = 10.Now, you want to make a flurry attack. The rule says that "for the purpose these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level". Easy change:
(monk's BAB) = (monk level) = 4
(Total BAB) = (cleric's BAB) + (fighter's BAB) + (monk's BAB) = 3 + 4 + 4 = 11
No problem.
Think of it this way.
If they don't stack, then a dual-class monk who splits his levels fairly evenly would never use Flurry of Blows. Ever.
Consider a Fighter 6/Monk 5. If he swings his longsword, he gets 3 attacks. His attacks are probably something like +18/+13/+8 and doing something like 1d8+10 damage with each hit. Or he could flurry for two attacks at +7 doing something like 1d8+6 damage (counting an amulet of mighty fists) if he ever hits. If he is fighting a CR 11 monster, those +7 attacks are worthless.
That means that a quintessential class ability is completely and utterly worthless to such a character. I can't think of any other class ability, certainly not a core ability of a base class, that becomes anywhere near this obsolete at level 11.
If you let them stack, then would get 4 fist attacks at something like +17/+17/+12/+7 and would do 1d8+6 damage. Still weak. But at least he will hit some of the time, at least with his first two attacks, and dish out some damage. I would still prefer that longsword, but at least this is potentially useful.
I would say the specific nature noted trumps the ussual way multi class baby is calculated.
Consider if, just somewhere in the class description, the fighter entry said "The fighter's attack bonus is equal to his fighter level." Just describing his BAB progression (it's actually something I say a lot to newer players). This statement, restricted to when the monk is flurrying, is the same.
For the record of course:
monk’s base attack bonus when performing a flurry of blows is now equal to his level. His attacks are made as if using Two-Weapon Fighting (and its improvements at later levels). Table 3–10 summarizes these bonuses. Change your flurry of blows base bonuses to match these values (plus any increases to your base attack bonus from other classes, which might give you additional attacks with your primary strike).
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I don't see such a comment.They stack. Do a search in the rules section and it will come up. The answer is made clear in the conversion document.I was told that many people apparently think that other classes bab stack for the purposes of flurry attack. This would make a barb monk multi much more powerful. I wanted to see how many people actually do think that is the case.
Personally it seems pretty clear they wouldn't. Based on this statement:
"For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level. "His monk level not his monk level plus the bab of other classes.
Please state your thoughts.
Here it is, bolded for emphasis, page 5 of the Conversion guide.
A monk’s base attack bonus when performing a furry of blows is now equal to his level. His attacks are made as if using Two-Weapon Fighting (and its improvements at later levels). Table 3–10 summarizes these bonuses. Change your furry of blows base bonuses to match these values (plus any increases to your base attack bonus from other classes, which might give you additional attacks with your primary strike). Note that other increases to your base attack bonus do not increase the number of attacks you can make with your of hand, as the bonus feats to gain these attacks are
not gained until you reach the required level of monk.[/qoute]
I would say the specific nature noted trumps the ussual way multi class baby is calculated.Consider if, just somewhere in the class description, the fighter entry said "The fighter's attack bonus is equal to his fighter level." Just describing his BAB progression (it's actually something I say a lot to newer players). This statement, restricted to when the monk is flurrying, is the same.
For the record of course:
monk’s base attack bonus when performing a flurry of blows is now equal to his level. His attacks are made as if using Two-Weapon Fighting (and its improvements at later levels). Table 3–10 summarizes these bonuses. Change your flurry of blows base bonuses to match these values (plus any increases to your base attack bonus from other classes, which might give you additional attacks with your primary strike).
No problem. This question comes up every few weeks.