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But Pepsi has actually wittled that share down, gaining more themselves, and not by calling themselves "the other Coke". Generally, I believe, it is bad marketing to reference your competitor when describing your own product, even if that is done just in non-official marketing means (messageboards and such).
You mean like in the "Pepsi Challenge", or in the dozens of other ad campaigns in which Pepsi directly compared themselves to Coke by name?

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Look, I'm not trying to rehash edition wars. Play what you want. I'm just letting the Paizo peeps know that in my home campaign, I am playing Pathfinder. If you dig that, cool. If not, enjoy whatever you are playing. Thanks for the kind words. Now back to your regularly scheduled PC deaths...
Clark,
I am still curious (and I understand that you may not know yet OR may not want to say yet) though ... what does this mean for Necromancer? Is this solely a personal thing or will it have business implications? If this has been answered already, I apologize - please point me toward the answer.
Thanks again!

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pres man wrote:You mean like in the "Pepsi Challenge", or in the dozens of other ad campaigns in which Pepsi directly compared themselves to Coke by name?
But Pepsi has actually wittled that share down, gaining more themselves, and not by calling themselves "the other Coke". Generally, I believe, it is bad marketing to reference your competitor when describing your own product, even if that is done just in non-official marketing means (messageboards and such).
That is why I said "generally" instead of "always". And it was just my personal view(yes I think "challenge" stunts a dumb), obviously I am not an advertising exec. so my opinion and a can of beans gets you a can of beans.

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Twowlves wrote:That is why I said "generally" instead of "always". And it was just my personal view(yes I think "challenge" stunts a dumb), obviously I am not an advertising exec. so my opinion and a can of beans gets you a can of beans.pres man wrote:You mean like in the "Pepsi Challenge", or in the dozens of other ad campaigns in which Pepsi directly compared themselves to Coke by name?
But Pepsi has actually wittled that share down, gaining more themselves, and not by calling themselves "the other Coke". Generally, I believe, it is bad marketing to reference your competitor when describing your own product, even if that is done just in non-official marketing means (messageboards and such).
Well, that and gas.

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And it is odd to me that a place that uses such heavy moderation is still pretty bitter while here, a place that uses moderation sparingly is relatively civil.
James! Yes, you've hit upon a great truth: that creative people thrive in an environment where there is some little structure (but not too little) and they starve and become bitter in an environment which is too heavily controlling. Your comment helped grok this for me. Thank you!

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I saw a few people asking for Legacy of Fire conversions, so I thought I'd mention that I have the first five books done and available here. The first book might be a bit off when it comes to some of the monsters, but I'm pretty satisfied with 2-5 and will go back to fix 1 later on.
Book #6 will be done sometime in April.

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I dont have anything against 4E perse, but I love the fact Pathfinder is backwards compatible with a huge extensive library of 3.X stuff, so thats a huge plus.I tried both, and have to say, I didnt like 4E too much, its too combat orientated, missing alot of the non-combat type spells that made Dungeons & Dragons what it always had been. Some improvements did exist dont get me wrong, but overall, it just seemed WoTC was aiming to appeal to gamers who wanted a fast, easy to play Warcraftesque 'point, click, kill and loot' style philosiphy. Not saying that doesnt suit some style of gamers - of course it does, but alot of hardcore D&Ders who spent their time with 1E upwards generally avoided 4E, I know alot of people that went back to 3.5 after giving up on 4E, and I directed them to Pathfinder and they got hooked instantly.
That I wouldnt wager against WotC having 5th Edition out in a year or two (given what they do infamously with their trading cards like Magic The Gathering and so forth by ditching and outlawing older editions for tournament play and official use in favor of a new series).
At the end of the day, for what its worth - I think you made the right choice.
Kudos to Clark for making a good decision. As a side note from someone who has played a fair bit of 4E via LFR. Fast is not a term I would use to describe 4E combat. A 1st level encounter in 3.5/Pathfinder could easily take only 20 minutes if the dice favor the PC's. In 4E, it could easily take an hour or more, thanks to the buckets of hit points even the lowliest non-minion kobolds have. I would also have a difficult time calling the system "easy" with a straight face since it's easily nearly as complicated as 3.5/Pathfinder. Pathfinder does feel more like D&D to me, and I have had more fun experiencing a TPK in Pathfinder than in any 4E grindfest game I have played.

Seraph403 |

That's right.
I am swearing off 4E. You heard it first here.
I'm about to start up a new RPG campaign and you want to know what I am playing? What Clark Peterson the President of Necromancer Games is playing? PATHFINDER.
Why? Because Pathfinder is D&D--its the D&D that I love.
Now don't get me wrong. There are lots of things I like about 4E. But when push comes to shove and I have to choose a rules system to use for my home game its Pathfinder. 4E may work for you, I am not criticizing. But for me, its Pathfinder.
And I am going to run the Legacy of Fire Adventure Path (updated to Pathfinder) from Paizo and with a first adventure by my pal Erik Mona.
Clark
Glad to have you on board friend! :)

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While I would probably succumb to temptation if I, II, and III were Pathfinder-ized, I'd rather see Tome of Horrors IV (PFRPG). After all, I can change a few skill names and calculate CMB/CMD on the fly. But a whole new book of hundreds of monsters...that is ALWAYS a welcome resource.
Count this as a "ditto" vote. If Necro were to go back and Pathfinderize the old Tome of Horrors books, I'd buy them; but I'd much rather see Necro come up with new goodies! (And maybe a new non-Rappan Athuk mega-dungeon? A guy can hope...)

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pres man wrote:You mean like in the "Pepsi Challenge", or in the dozens of other ad campaigns in which Pepsi directly compared themselves to Coke by name?
But Pepsi has actually wittled that share down, gaining more themselves, and not by calling themselves "the other Coke". Generally, I believe, it is bad marketing to reference your competitor when describing your own product, even if that is done just in non-official marketing means (messageboards and such).
HA! Late on the bandwagon here, but have you caught the newest Burger King commercial with the King breaking into McDonald's to STEAL the egg McMuffin recipe?

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Some advice to Clark. This should have been posted over the Necromancer Games site first before Paizo. The site really needs an update. We really should not have had to come her to find out something that should have been on the NG from the start.
To be fair his post was about what he as a person is playing and not about Necromancer as a company.

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To be fair his post was about what he as a person is playing and not about Necromancer as a company.
At least he has posted an update on his forum on what he want to do and the current plans for NG> My worry is that he has alreay kind of flip flopped on his hate/like for 4E. I just hope it does not happen again. He should stick to what he wants to do. While I wish NG would have done some stuff for 4E I would also be satisfied with Pathfinder product.s I like both 4E and Pathfinder. I see aboslutely zero reason actually less than zero reason to have to draw a line in the stand about either products.

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Wolfthulhu wrote:Ahh, the Great Old Ones are very pleased.Ia! Ia! Cthulhu F'tagn!
Precisely the sort of thing that would have the old one dancing in an azatothlike-fueled joy.