Last day while surfing TV Tropes I stumbled across an entry for Pathfinder RPG and, to my surprise, it was more detailed than the Wikipedia one and reallyawake my interest for Campaing Setting.
Humbly,
Yawar
PSD: I don't think James Jacobs will apreciate it.
Gods, don't you know better than to link TVtropes on a public forum? I just burned an hour and a half on the bloody site...
Wow, interesting! Though, the GITP guys hate on Pathfinder? That isn't cool.
But it was earned IMHO
Wow, interesting! Though, the GITP guys hate on Pathfinder? That isn't cool.But it was earned IMHO
How was it earned?
Humbly,
Yawar
Back when I posted there {Alpha/beta} days , you could not say pathfinder without the trolls popping up to prove the fail
On a whole the site is way to powergammy for me as a whole but I did rune a short lived pbp there b4 my connection had issues 2 years back. So I was there as often as here back then, even if I did not post often.
Only wizards and the den topped GITP for outright hate of pathfinder. IMO anyhow. I have been told the bashing is gone or less now, but back then it was bad.
Back when I posted there {Alpha/beta} days , you could not say pathfinder without the trolls popping up to prove the fail
On a whole the site is way to powergammy for me as a whole but I did rune a short lived pbp there b4 my connection had issues 2 years back. So I was there as often as here back then, even if I did not post often.
Only wizards and the den topped GITP for outright hate of pathfinder. IMO anyhow. I have been told the bashing is gone or less now, but back then it was bad.
Thanks, I think I misanderstood your previous post. I thought that the hate to Pathfinder RPG in the GitP forums was earned by the Pathfinder tester/fans being annoying, disrespectuful or something along.
Thanking again,
Yawar
The GITP forums are derisive of PF because, well, pretty much everywhere is. Except for the Enworld PF forums, there's not a lot of PF boosterism anywhere that I've found.
This is interesting to me. TBH I don't exactly frequent other gaming forums anymore. Everyone that I know IRL is overwhelmingly in favor of it, and we've even peeled back some 4E converts and WotC stalwarts at my FLGS. Either my sampling is skewed or I smell internet jackass syndrome.
IMO the problems with PF are the same problems we had with 3.5. On the whole I think PF injects enough new life into the system to warrant buying the books or else I wouldn't have.
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I've mostly been here or on the Wizards boards, and don't tend to frequent many more. And really, on the WotC boards I only tend to frequent the Forgotten Realms forums with any regularity, and there the discussion is more focused toward WotC's treatment of the setting...but from time to time the topic does come up, and I haven't noticed much more than some of the arguing I've seen around here. Personally, I enjoy, and play, both systems. My home game has been 4th edition for the past two sessions, but I'm also coordinating Pathfinder Society at my FLGS.
IMO the problems with PF are the same problems we had with 3.5. On the whole I think PF injects enough new life into the system to warrant buying the books or else I wouldn't have.Pretty much that. PF doesn't have the reach to have a big influx of new players to rise to its defense, so most people are looking at it as umpteen dollars for a bunch of mixed-quality houserules for a game that already own.
I guess it's just weird to me. I remember people complaining about the changes in 3.5 but most of my friends were like "phew they finally did something about x and y" and happily shelled out 30-50 bucks on new books. No biggie. I think most PF supporters think the same way about it, a newer, cleaned up version of the game they love. With bells, whistles, and a spit-shine. But there's people out there that will attack anything.
This is interesting to me. TBH I don't exactly frequent other gaming forums anymore. Everyone that I know IRL is overwhelmingly in favor of it, and we've even peeled back some 4E converts and WotC stalwarts at my FLGS. Either my sampling is skewed or I smell internet jackass syndrome.
A little bit of both. I think Pathfinder thrives primarily on word of mouth, since there really isn't any kind of advertising blitz to speak of. Therefore, it makes sense that the people you know are more apt to think highly of it.
Strangely, the rules changes in Pathfinder are among the last things that interest me. Mainly I am looking for a system that lets me play with the APs, and the books are big and pretty.
The GITP forums are derisive of PF because, well, pretty much everywhere is. Except for the Enworld PF forums, there's not a lot of PF boosterism anywhere that I've found.This is interesting to me. TBH I don't exactly frequent other gaming forums anymore. Everyone that I know IRL is overwhelmingly in favor of it, and we've even peeled back some 4E converts and WotC stalwarts at my FLGS. Either my sampling is skewed or I smell internet jackass syndrome.
IMO the problems with PF are the same problems we had with 3.5. On the whole I think PF injects enough new life into the system to warrant buying the books or else I wouldn't have.
I recently pulled a a half dozen people back from 4E based on PF appeal, you can only play the Duplo version of a game for so long before you lose your mind.
the books are big and pretty.
And double as DM disciplinary tools...
"please tell me again your grievance with my ruling." *raises PF Core threateningly.*
I've seen quite a few places that don't hate on Pathfinder.
The main places that have the Pathfinder hate are generally filled with trolls and people who absolutely abhor 3.5. Rpg.net and GitP are both wastelands of trolls and pure, unrelenting hate for just about anything.
Back when I posted there {Alpha/beta} days , you could not say pathfinder without the trolls popping up to prove the fail
On a whole the site is way to powergammy for me as a whole but I did rune a short lived pbp there b4 my connection had issues 2 years back. So I was there as often as here back then, even if I did not post often.
Only wizards and the den topped GITP for outright hate of pathfinder. IMO anyhow. I have been told the bashing is gone or less now, but back then it was bad.
And a couple of those trolls seem to have decided to squat here, which alternates between amusing and annoying. Why someone who continuously complains that Pathfinder is broken, or "a collection of inferior house rules" would hang out on a Pathfinder forum is beyond me.
There's a poster or two who seem determined to derail any discussion of any aspect of the game in order to beat their own personal dead horses. For example, it is literally impossible to discuss any PrC, any at all, without certain people derailing the thread by endlessly proselytizing about how flawed all of them are, not to mention countless refrains of: "You should play a caster, otherwise you're stupid. It's true! I did the math."
Oh, and, "Fighters sux. And Rogues. And Bards. And Rangers. And Barbarians. And anyone who multiclasses. And your Mother. It's true! I did the math."
About the only explanation I can come up with is, "I don't like the game. I'm right. You do like the game. You're wrong. So, since my entire sense of self worth is inextricably tied to being right, it is my duty/obsession to stay here and beat my dead horse until everyone agrees with me. Eventually you will. It's true! I did the math."
Those little " symbols are called quotation marks. They are called that because they're to be used around direct quotes, not paraphrases.
Correct use: "a collection of mixed-quality houserules"
Incorrect use: "something that nobody said"
I know you're busy being a passive-aggressive jerk, but, please, don't abuse the poor language while you're at it.
1. The rules for English in casual conversation are more flexible than you seem to realize. Not surprising, actually.
2. I wasn't quoting you. But nice of you step up.
Edit: Wow. You edited your entire post without footnote or explanation. Classy.
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On a lighter note, the Tropes page could still use some clean-up and clarification.
And less conversation in the page itself. It's already collecting natter.
*checks again* Surprise surprise, people are skipping the discussion page and forums completely and soapboxing directly on the page itself. Hooray.
And hot damn with the AP spoilers.
Those little " symbols are called quotation marks. They are called that because they're to be used around direct quotes, not paraphrases.
Correct use: "a collection of mixed-quality houserules"
Incorrect use: "something that nobody said"
Man, now you're saying an entire industry is doing it wrong? (anyone who writes fiction)
Hint: You're the one that's wrong. As long as a quote is attributed, directly or indirectly, it's a proper use of the grammatical construct. It may be libel or just plain false, but it is NOT improper English.
Man, now you're saying an entire industry is doing it wrong? (anyone who writes fiction)That's a direct attribution to a fictional speaker.
I hate false quotations as much as anyone, but they are not improper use of grammar. The truth of the statement inside the quotation marks is utterly irrelevant to the grammatical correctness of the sentence containing them.
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Why do we care what TV Tropes says about Pathfinder? It's not a tv program. Maybe I'm (still) not getting what that site is all about, but it seems like energy currently being expended in edit wars with anti-Pathfinder people from GitP could be diverted to making real progress on PathfinderWiki. ;-)
It is not very surprising that there are people hating PF, given what happened after the 4e announcements on these boards.
That said, why should I care if anyone hates PF? It is a niche product in a fragmented niche market to begin with, and as long as paizo reaches its goals with the game, folks can rant about it as much as they want as far as I am concerned. Sure, it is not nice for paizo to have negative publicity, but OTOH, it is not that dramatic to worry overmuch about it. Eventually, even the most persistent ranter will tire of it or get finally banned from the boards he spills his crap on - nobody wants endless negativity on his boards in the long run.
Stefan