Eidolon and Bane - Ranger

[Draeke Raefel]

So... based on the current setup with the Eidolon simply being an Outsider, is he immune to bane weapons where a sub-type is specifically needed? Also, would this make it immune to Ranger abilities since they also require a subtype?

[Fatespinner]

Draeke Raefel wrote:

So... based on the current setup with the Eidolon simply being an Outsider, is he immune to bane weapons where a sub-type is specifically needed? Also, would this make it immune to Ranger abilities since they also require a subtype?

Eidolon-bane and Favored Enemy: Eidolons, for those people who REALLY hate Summoners.

Side note: Aren't Eidolons considered to have an alignment subtype corresponding to the Summoner's alignment? i.e. an evil Summoner's Eidolon is an [evil] outsider?

[Draeke Raefel]

Fatespinner wrote:

Draeke Raefel wrote:

So... based on the current setup with the Eidolon simply being an Outsider, is he immune to bane weapons where a sub-type is specifically needed? Also, would this make it immune to Ranger abilities since they also require a subtype?

Eidolon-bane and Favored Enemy: Eidolons, for those people who REALLY hate Summoners.

lol. I don't think that's a very feasible solution :) It would make the Ranger pretty weak and provides an extra immunity/resistance to the eidolon that it really doesn't need.

EDIT: I read through that section. While their Alignment matches the Summoner's it does not state that they gain the subtype of their alignment. Technically you can have an evil outsider who's alignment is good. They still have the evil subtype. So it isn't valid to assume that an evilly aligned Eidolon would have the Evil subtype.

[Ravingdork]

As a house rule I would say that if the ranger gets its favored enemy bonus against the summoner, he also gets it against the eidolon. You could say it has something to do with their mystical connection to one another.

After all, the player isn't going to be playing the summoner for the summoner, but for the eidolon anyways.

[hogarth]

Draeke Raefel wrote:

Fatespinner wrote:

Eidolon-bane and Favored Enemy: Eidolons, for those people who REALLY hate Summoners.

lol. I don't think that's a very feasible solution :)

Is that really any worse than Favored Enemy: Humanoid (boggard) or Humanoid (tengu), say?

[Draeke Raefel]

hogarth wrote:

Draeke Raefel wrote:

Fatespinner wrote:

Eidolon-bane and Favored Enemy: Eidolons, for those people who REALLY hate Summoners.

lol. I don't think that's a very feasible solution :)

Is that really any worse than Favored Enemy: Humanoid (boggard) or Humanoid (tengu), say?

I guess not... it just seems vaguely wasteful to add another category of outsider that only encompasses the Eidolon. It doesn't fit very well with the rest of the outsider subtypes. At least you could hunt down settlements of Tengu... Good luck hunting down settlements of Eidolons.

[Joseph Davis]

I would consider them at least one of their alignment types as a subtype of outsider. If (this seems rare) the summoner is true neutral, then I would consider them a Native outsider, even though they obviously arent. At least, that's how I'm gonna do it in any game I run.

[graywulfe]

Personally, I would probably go with Outsider(Extraplanar).