Sorcerer vs Reincarnate


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This is, I will now admit, a thought exercise in some ways and rules question in others.

That said, a Sorcerer's powers comes from their bloodline. As such, if a Gnome Sorcerer with the Fey bloodline is reincarnated as a Human... would that person still have the Fey bloodline?

My thoughts on this are two-fold.

1) No. With the new body comes the new blood, which is not the old blood, and therefore bye bye Sorcerer levels.

2) Yes. If the bloodline is powerful enough to grant magic in the first place, it would be strong enough to follow the Sorcerer to their new body.

This is just me being curious and wanting the input of others on a very odd little rules hiccup.

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I would almost think of reincarnate as being like polymorph and raise dead combined. The form changes, but it is silent on genetics or the matter that makes up the new vessel. I'd say stick with the standard answer: Magic makes sense only when it absolutely has to. They should be able to keep their powers, thusly.

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I think I would give the player the option of changing their bloodline if they wanted too. I don't see as it would be very fun to punish them that much just because the party can't afford a Resurrection.


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Bloodlines are magical in nature and, despite the name, aren't necessarily tied to actual blood. Otherwise, you could make a city full of sorcerers simply by granting blood transfusions.

Magical experimentation or breeding with magical creatures might make a young child into a sorcerer, but a blood transfusion (by itself) doesn't.

Therefore, a sorcerer keeps its powers upon reincarnation. Saying their magic is tied to their blood and therefor lost opens up a can of worms. The new body has a new brain, so it stands to reason that they don't remember their past lives too, right? I'd rather just say that the same magical forces that transfer their memories, base ability scores, soul and everything else that makes them "them" also transfers their sorcerer powers as well (what's more "them" then their powers after all?)


If you want an in game answer, two things in the spell would support keeping the bloodline.

1) You need a piece of the person that is to be reincarnated.
and
2) They get a new body. You can roleplay that the new body grows from the piece needed for the spell in the first place.

Basically, it's rapid regeneration of body tisues, and the magic need for that brings the spirit back as well.


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Call lightning is made more powerful due to...

...longer duration.
...the ability to not strike at a given time.
...they aren't as obviously magical as a chasing ball of flame is.
...as a line effect they can hit multiple targets.
...it does more damage under certain weather conditions.
...flaming sphere has to actually reach its target. Bolts hit anyone within your spell range.

Honestly, the only advantage I see for flaming sphere is that it MIGHT be able to attack 20 times with a 20th-level caster rather than 10 times like call lightning at the same level.


I think it is fair to assume a bloodline depends as much on the soul that powers it as the body, while you might rule a sorcerer has some trouble accessing her powers at first this would not be significantly affecting her sorcerer potential.


Ravingdork wrote:
Bloodlines are magical in nature and, despite the name, aren't necessarily tied to actual blood. Otherwise, you could make a city full of sorcerers simply by granting blood transfusions.

I think most everyone can agree that real-world physics (and biology) shouldn't necessarily be forced on a fantasy world.

I would not focus on the "blood-genetics" aspect, and say it is more an aspect of "souls" (whatever the hell that is). Re-incarnation is basically taking the same soul and putting it in a new body. If your soul had a 'bloodline' connection to arcane powers, it still does, if it didn't, you don't gain an arcane bloodline because of the new form.

...At least that makes sense to me.

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Ravingdork wrote:

Call lightning is made more powerful due to...

...longer duration.
...the ability to not strike at a given time.
...they aren't as obviously magical as a chasing ball of flame is.
...as a line effect they can hit multiple targets.
...it does more damage under certain weather conditions.
...flaming sphere has to actually reach its target. Bolts hit anyone within your spell range.

Honestly, the only advantage I see for flaming sphere is that it MIGHT be able to attack 20 times with a 20th-level caster rather than 10 times like call lightning at the same level.

Um.. was this intended for a different thread?


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Yes it was. You can blame the forum monster. You can imagine my confusion when I was in the other thread, typed up the post, submitted it, was directed back to the proper thread--only to find that my post had mysteriously disappeared. Like so many others, I chocked it up to the forum being mean and typed up a new post in the right place (which worked).

The thread in question featured a guy asking why flaming sphere was better than call lightning, but lower level, or some such thing.

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Ravingdork wrote:

Yes it was. You can blame the forum monster. You can imagine my confusion when I was in the other thread, typed up the post, submitted it, was directed back to the proper thread--only to find that my post had mysteriously disappeared. Like so many others, I chocked it up to the forum being mean and typed up a new post in the right place (which worked).

The thread in question featured a guy asking why flaming sphere was better than call lightning, but lower level, or some such thing.

Ah. Well, it was an interesting digression at the very least, and I do agree with you that lightning bolt is far superior.


Although called bloodlines I'd treat the link to the source of power as being through the soul. Reincarnate is not intended to wipe out sorcerers.

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