Like the title says, I need a portable stable. It needs to hold eight large creatures (specifically, three griffons, a giant owl, a dracolisk, a half-dragon frilled lizard, a pegasus and an unspecified mount) for an indefinite amount of time.
I was thinking about some trick using portable holes, bottles of air and create food and water traps, but 27500 gold per critter seems rather steep to me (since a portable hole is only large enough to hold one creature at a time).
If you all know of a way to get this done cheaper, I'd love to hear it. Thanks!
EDIT: One more thing. It needs to be concealable. So no animated wooden structures.
How about an adapted Mage's magnificent mansion? Shouldnt have to change the spell much to provide for mounts and magical creatures instead of people
The Magnificent Mansion spell is not a portable effect, the entrance is stationary. I think that a similar portable spell, tailored for characters with pet Dragons, should be 8th Level.
Incidentally, I find it ironic that a player whose character has pet dragons is worried about paying too much to stable them. If you are flying around on a pet dragon, don't you pretty much own the world already?
I would make something like the mansion mentioned or other enlarging structure... then have a command word to enlarge and shrink it, but anything inside when shrunk is effected with temporal stasis... untill the command word to enlarge is given.
not shure what that would cost
It's not that he is worried about spending too much. I'm just a cheapskate and want to get this as cheap as possible (which also lets us get it much earlier). The issue is more about keeping the creatures hidden and accessible.
So wait, you're the DM and your more concerned about keeping the cost of this down than the player is?
That is somewhat confusing to me, since if I were in your shoes, I would be sorely tempted to bilk the PCs for all they had, paying for Dragon shots, Griffin shots, spaying/neutering fees, stabling charges, hiring specially trained grooms, etc. etc. etc.
Let me say it differently, the last concern I would have would be whether stabling a super-powered pet/mount will put a character in the poor house.
Paying out the yin-yang in order to keep such a creature and (in this case) to always have it at your beck and call, seems like a reasonable trade off. Lots of money for lots of power.
In our group, we rotate who GMs each adventure. I have GM'd one adventure of our five so far. I'll run another adventure in a couple of levels. Every player is going to run at least one game.
So, I'm not worried about costing my players too much, because, well, they aren't my players. Right now, both myself and the guy who wants the port-a-stable are simply players and another guy in our group is the GM. I'm just not wanting to say to the guy "the thing you want is going to cost you all of your money" if I can avoid it.
Hmmm, fair enough.Personally I would try to make it a fair and balanced price, rather than try to milk them for everything their worth. Paying a healthy sum is understandable, getting jipped isn't ya know? (And I have seen DM's who would happy try to rip their player's off, testing their economic skills and such crap)
Yeah. I went a little over the top when I was talking about bilking the PCs, but I do believe that powerful critters require "maintenance" fees.
With regards to the OP's question, the only cheap way I can think of is to design a spell, and as I said before, I think it would have to be at least 8th level to do everything that he wants.
I don't see how Shrink Item would work because nothing in the spell description implies that creatures within an item (assuming a building can be considered an item) also get shrunk.
And also, at 2 cu. Ft /level, even a 20th level caster could barely Shrink a stall large enough to house a single mount, since 5' x10' with an 8' cieling is 400 cu ft. (which also assumes a DM ruling that a specific mount can actually fit in a 5x10x8 stall)
P.S. If you are going the design a spell route, a Magic Item could be created that replicates the effects of the spell, just like how a Hat of Disguise replicates the Disguise Self spell.
The estimated cost is calculated as (spell lvl) x (caster lvl) x 2000 gp. (from the Estimating Magic Item Gold Piece Values table in the Magic Item creation section of PFSRD)
Edit: I just noticed that my math for Shrink Item is off by a factor of 10. A 5'x10'x8' stall is 10 times the cubic footage that a 20th level spellcaster could shrink.
Like the title says, I need a portable stable. It needs to hold eight large creatures (specifically, three griffons, a giant owl, a dracolisk, a half-dragon frilled lizard, a pegasus and an unspecified mount) for an indefinite amount of time.
I'd want to keep one of those things in a separate stable, so the stable doesn't become a portable museum of statues...
Seriously though, unless you're in a civilized area, where you're really going to want to keep these things locked up, wouldn't it be easier to just let them range about and live off the land? Seems like the variation of the Magnificent Mansion would be the best option. Sure, you can't pick it up and move it, but you could cast it whenever you stop for the day, and just recast as necessary.
Now, wait... you have all of these POWERFUL creatures as "mounts", but want none of the hassle that goes along with them? Basically, you want to have a pocket dragon/dracolisk/whatever that you can pull out to play with when you need it, then make it just go away when it's inconvenient for you?
If i were DM i'd veto that right off, unless this was some sort of level 30+ god campaign.
Assuming you can even afford the daily maintenance, care, and feeding for such a wide variety of exotics, (which is in the thousands of gold, if not tens of thousands... and that's daily.) you still have to deal with their individual needs and egos. I'm pretty sure things like dragons would be horrified at the thought of being put into a stable at all, portable or not.
<Character>: Get in the bag, Scales.
<Half-Dragon>: What? Pffft. YOU get in the bag. I'm not your idle plaything. The blood of the noble dragons courses through my veins, human/elf/dwarf/etc! It is one thing that I agree to carry you upon my back like a mere pack mule, but I will NOT suffer the confines of your "stable"!
I dunno... I'm certainly not going to frown on you guys if you're all having fun playing the game, but it really sounds like you guys are playing a game of Medieval Poke'mon and not Pathfinder. That circumstance is just all kinds of wonky.
Either way, keep have fun :P
These are expensive solutions. The mounts are free to roam and do their respective things until you use magic to summon them:
Bracelet of Friends
Gate
Refuge (Reverse)
Wish
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I agree with above, rather than bringing a stable with you, wouldn't it be simplier to have a stationary stable, with a Gate?
Then tether the Gate to an Item you cary (lets say a ring). Now when you need access to a mount, or the stable, command word 'Open Sez me' get your mount (or put it away), command word 'Close Sez me'
Simple, clean, elegant, no stasis fields, no enlarging areas, etc!!
Plus it always would provide an escape route for everyone (except the ring weilder - who is the anchor point).
I dunno... I'm certainly not going to frown on you guys if you're all having fun playing the game, but it really sounds like you guys are playing a game of Medieval Poke'mon and not Pathfinder. That circumstance is just all kinds of wonky.Either way, keep have fun :P
Are the two mutually exclusive? What do you call a summoner? Or even just a summon focused conjurationist/druid. The is already plenty of precedent for 'medieval pokemon'.
As to the OP if your group can agree just invent a magic item called portable stable or something that is a modified version of the instant fortress.
Now that I have thought about it, a wondrous item that replicates Mages Magnificent Mansion should accomplish what the OP is looking for (similar to what several posters have already suggested.)
My specific concept is that the item resembles a tiny (pocket sized) barn door. As a standard action, it's posessor can toss it into an adjacent square and activate it. Upon doing so, it transforms into a full sized barn door, that opens into the extra-dimensional space, that is the portable stable.
Inside should be enough space to stable all of the mounts an adventuring party keeps, plus unseen servants function as stable hands and grooms. If desired, they can also collect any eggs layed by the creatures residing within, and milk any of the creatures in need of milking (in case facilitating a "dairy of the bizarre" fits into your campaign).
Crafting this requires Shrink Item (for the Barn Door) and Mages Magnificent Mansion. I would set the CL of the item at 13 (min for a caster to cast MMM) and would estimate the price at :
13x(3(shrink Item)+7(MMM))x2000gp = 260,000 gp
I am not an expert on crafting new magic items, and I may have mis-estimated the price. If anyone knows of a better way, please post it.
Here's a simple and inexpensive solution:
Ring Gates only cost 40,000gp and have a range of 100 miles. Use Polymorph to get your critters small enough to pass through. (Spells can be cast through the gates.)
A Staff of Polymorph would cost 22,000gp (assuming caster level 11). Note that staves can be recharged (slowly) for free in Pathfinder.
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I'm pretty sure things like dragons would be horrified at the thought of being put into a stable at all, portable or not.
+1 on this. You are, after all, talking about intelligent mounts ... and in some case intelligent spell-casting mounts. I can't see them willingly being relegated into an quasi-dimensional space for any amount of time.
But regardless of my outlook on this type of thing, I have to agree with Ravenot:
Either way, keep having fun
I would be interested in seeing what the final solution is either way. Be sure to post the final answer to your stable issue.