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Dork Lord wrote:Ha! Not a PC "Happy Holidays" thread. Right on. :-D
Merry Christmas, everyone.
What's a PC ¨Happy Holidays¨ thread?
Humbly,
Yawar
It's a thread where Americans take great pains to wish each other the best without getting sued ;-)
Luckily, us Europeans don't have that problem. Wesolych Swiat !

AncientVaults&EldritchSecrets |

YawarFiesta wrote:Dork Lord wrote:Ha! Not a PC "Happy Holidays" thread. Right on. :-D
Merry Christmas, everyone.
What's a PC ¨Happy Holidays¨ thread?
Humbly,
YawarIt's a thread where Americans take great pains to wish each other the best without getting sued ;-)
Luckily, us Europeans don't have that problem. Wesolych Swiat !
You must live in some obscure part of Europe. There is very little difference in the Litiginous Urge anymore between you and us. My better half is European and I always hear about how there is just like here nowadays. Darned civilization. We were better off without it.
Happy Holidays, by the way. I wonder though, if less than PC, it is showing respect for others. As a pagan, I can enjoy the holiday season as much as anyone else.

Treantmonk |

Happy Holidays, by the way. I wonder though, if less than PC, it is showing respect for others. As a pagan, I can enjoy the holiday season as much as anyone else.
I'm an atheist, and it's still Christmas to me. Christmas seems to me more of a cultural event than a religious event. It's also lots of fun.
As a pagan, surely you can enjoy the irony of decorating a "Christmas tree", a practice specifically prohibited in the Bible due to being a traditional pagan practice.

xorial |

Treantmonk wrote:As something of an aside, could you cite that, Treantmonk?
As a pagan, surely you can enjoy the irony of decorating a "Christmas tree", a practice specifically prohibited in the Bible due to being a traditional pagan practice.
I can't site the exact practice, but most of the 'traditions' of Christmas are from pagan practices for such holidays as Yule. Many things done by the early Christian church were done to ease the newly converted into their new religion. I say this as a devout Christian, wishing people Merry Christmas is the true sense of the Christian Holiday. Commercialization has taken allot of it away, but believers still know what is true about the holidays.
This is in no way to offend anybody that is of a different faith. You have your practices & I have mine. I hope you will still be blessed in some way during the Holiday Season.

YawarFiesta |

AncientVaults&EldritchSecrets wrote:
Happy Holidays, by the way. I wonder though, if less than PC, it is showing respect for others. As a pagan, I can enjoy the holiday season as much as anyone else.I'm an atheist, and it's still Christmas to me. Christmas seems to me more of a cultural event than a religious event. It's also lots of fun.
As a pagan, surely you can enjoy the irony of decorating a "Christmas tree", a practice specifically prohibited in the Bible due to being a traditional pagan practice.
+1
I'm a Pantheist Agnostic, my sisters ad thier husbands are non-practicioner catholics and celebrate christmass and we all cellebrate christmass because of a cultural force. And to make kids believe in Papa Noel.
The whole fundation of some rites aren't christian based, but 'paganic', the Saturnalia Tree.
Humbly,
Yawar

nidho |

Todd Stewart Contributor |

С Рождесm 0;вом Христоk 4;ым!
I'm Russian Orthodox, and a belated Merry Christmas to everyone. :)
(and apparently the boards totally cannot handle me using cyrillic script, so transliteration is our friend: S Rozhdestvom Kristovym!)

YawarFiesta |

It's a thread where Americans take great pains to wish each other the best without getting sued ;-)Luckily, us Europeans don't have that problem. Wesolych Swiat !
Interesting, so, hipotetically, I could get sued by greeting 'have a nice Yawar Fiesta' to someone next july 28?
Humbly,
Yawar

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Google is your friend.
Deep sigh.
Thank you, nidho, for Jeremiah 10 must be what Treantmonk is referring to.
The book of Jeremiah is a long lamentation to the kingdom of Judah, a prophetic condemnation of the arrogant people who have befouled the Lord's ways, and responded to repeated exhortations with repeated half-hearted and temporary reforms. "This time," says Jeremiah, "The Lord means it. There's no reprieve. This is not an idle threat. The fate of Jerusalem is sealed." (Well, except for parts of Chapter 13 and Chapter 18, which hold out an opportunity for repentance.) "No, there is no chance. He's going to send the Babylonian Empire to clean out the rulers of Judah and oppress the people."
And that goes on for a while.
Chapter 10 is a comparison between the Lord and the idols of the surrounding peoples. It notes that the other guy's gods are just things of wood, sculpted into whatever images they venerate, decorated with precious metals, dressed in blue and purple, and paraded around. They don't speak; they don't move on their own; they can't bless or curse anything. Why, they have to be nailed together or else they'd just fall apart.
It takes some deliberate work to get that passage to have anything to do with Christmas trees. (When the Victorians popularized Christmas trees, they were setting up pagan idols? Really?)
There are serious messages in Jeremiah. "No Christmas trees" seems a stretch.

Treantmonk |

nidho wrote:Google is your friend.Deep sigh.
** spoiler omitted **
I don't claim to know what the "true meaning" of any bible verse is.
However, check out Wikipedia on Christmas Trees, several Christian denominations (usually fundamentalist) don't allow Christmas trees because of exactly that passage.
Either way, the decorating of trees in the Winter Solstice long predates Christianity. It was said to ward off evil spirits. Like the date of Dec 25th (Happy Birthday Mithras!), Christmas borrows a lot from pagan religions.

Treantmonk |

Heh. Christmas is two days in the past. Let's start up the annual argument over the political correctness of new years already! I use metric time and so I find this gregorian business a little patronizing. Please respect my beliefs by wishing me a pleasant kiloday!
LOL! Hopefully every millisecond is!

YawarFiesta |

Heh. Christmas is two days in the past. Let's start up the annual argument over the political correctness of new years already! I use metric time and so I find this gregorian business a little patronizing. Please respect my beliefs by wishing me a pleasant kiloday!
Have teragrams of fun, cubic megameteres of enjoyment and may your distastes be better mesured in nanoliters
Sincerely,
Yawar

nidho |

nidho wrote:Google is your friend.Deep sigh.
...It takes some deliberate work to get that passage to have anything to do with Christmas trees. (When the Victorians popularized Christmas trees, they were setting up pagan idols? Really?)
There are serious messages in Jeremiah. "No Christmas trees" seems a stretch.
I agree.
I just wanted to provide the requested information. I leave the interpretation of said text to anyone who cares.You're not gonna sue me, are you? ;)