I just bought the Pathfinder Core Book and the Bestiary. As far as I can tell, they are really well made, but I wanted to check here to be sure.
Have any of you had any problems with the quality/deterioration of your books? Have they turned green like the Star Wars Saga core book (which was originally black and gold) or had its ink smudge horribly in hot or moist conditions (like many D&D 3.5/4.0 books)?
Any problems at all? I'm curious to know. What should I expect, if anything?
The only problem I've had so far, is that the pages rip really easily...so flip gently. The ink is superb, as are the bindings.
The only problem I've had so far, is that the pages rip really easily...so flip gently. The ink is superb, as are the bindings.I suspect the page issue is because they are a little thinner than normal. Makes sense given the size of the damn thing -weight and thickness would be even worse.
Yep, definitely a little thin, not complaining-I love it like a baby! Just be careful!(my core rulebook now has three small rips...by the way, anyone know the best way to repair those?)
I just bought the Pathfinder Core Book and the Bestiary. As far as I can tell, they are really well made, but I wanted to check here to be sure.
Have any of you had any problems with the quality/deterioration of your books? Have they turned green like the Star Wars Saga core book (which was originally black and gold) or had its ink smudge horribly in hot or moist conditions (like many D&D 3.5/4.0 books)?
Any problems at all? I'm curious to know. What should I expect, if anything?
I have four copies - three are fine, but the spine of one has begun to wrinkle/fold and I suspect is going to perish sooner rather than later.
Yep, definitely a little thin, not complaining-I love it like a baby! Just be careful!(my core rulebook now has three small rips...by the way, anyone know the best way to repair those?)The only problem I've had so far, is that the pages rip really easily...so flip gently. The ink is superb, as are the bindings.I suspect the page issue is because they are a little thinner than normal. Makes sense given the size of the damn thing -weight and thickness would be even worse.
There is a special tape used for repairing books, but not sure how well it would work on the PFRPG vs the normal heavy rag paper it was designed for.
One method I read in a book on repairing books is to use wax paper and thinned white glue ... "paint" the tear, and use the wax paper to support it while it drys. You want to keep the amount of glue used as small as possible, so the whole thing doesn't attach to the wax paper.
I just bought the Pathfinder Core Book and the Bestiary. As far as I can tell, they are really well made, but I wanted to check here to be sure.
Have any of you had any problems with the quality/deterioration of your books? Have they turned green like the Star Wars Saga core book (which was originally black and gold) or had its ink smudge horribly in hot or moist conditions (like many D&D 3.5/4.0 books)?
Any problems at all? I'm curious to know. What should I expect, if anything?
The binding on my core book sounds like a mini fireworks display whenever I open it, and any time I've ever heard that, the book's binding fell out just a few months later. The fact that the binding is starting to sag a bit tells me that I'm probably right.
The Bestiary is having NO problems what so ever though.
Overall, other then the binding in the core book, they're great quality.
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Yep, definitely a little thin, not complaining-I love it like a baby! Just be careful!(my core rulebook now has three small rips...by the way, anyone know the best way to repair those?)The only problem I've had so far, is that the pages rip really easily...so flip gently. The ink is superb, as are the bindings.I suspect the page issue is because they are a little thinner than normal. Makes sense given the size of the damn thing -weight and thickness would be even worse.
I took bookbinding courses during my librarianship studies, so I could do it for you! ;)
Or maybe not, because my dwarven hands are ill-suited for anything that requires finesse and dexterity (I almost managed to ruin my heavily-damaged copy of 'FR Adventures' as I "repaired", i.e. rebound it).
my brother has done some rebinding in leather for me... but i am not sure how it would stand up to vigorous use
my brother has done some rebinding in leather for me... but i am not sure how it would stand up to vigorous use
Oooo
Leather binding.That's something i would pay an extra for...
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my brother has done some rebinding in leather for me... but i am not sure how it would stand up to vigorous useOooo
Leather binding.
That's something i would pay an extra for...
I have a contention coming up in march that I go to every year. There's been a leather guy there every year with leather slip covers, I'm hoping to find one that fits my Core Rulebook. :)
I have a contention coming up in march that I go to every year. There's been a leather guy there every year with leather slip covers, I'm hoping to find one that fits my Core Rulebook. :)
I won't buy anything from a guy in a leather slip...
I have a contention coming up in march that I go to every year. There's been a leather guy there every year with leather slip covers, I'm hoping to find one that fits my Core Rulebook. :)I won't buy anything from a guy in a leather slip...
no he only has leather slips... I could get one for my wife ... mmmmmmmm :)
On a more serious note...
I've not had any trouble with my books, very good quality (although the bestiary's cover does tend to bow out, but I think that's humidity, not quality).
The only problems I had was Getting two core books in the first place. :)
My pre-order copies from Paizo vanished in the mail, never to be heard from again. Had to wait 2 months to get my replacement copies (Paizo didn't charge me shipping though! So that's a plus).
Then I got them in, and the second book had about 15 pages duplicated, last 12 pages of spells were the previous 15, and lost 3 pages of prestige classes (like page 357 to 372 or something like that).
So then Paizo sent me a replacement for that one too (again, no charge for shipping!).
So, basically, had a nightmare getting my core books, but once I got them very happy with them.
...lost 3 pages...
...page 357 to 372 or something like that...
That sounds like a lot more then 3 pages.
That sounds like a lot more then 3 pages....lost 3 pages...
...page 357 to 372 or something like that...
Yep, it duplicated 15 pages of spells, I lost the last 12 pages of spells, and 3 pages of the prestige classes. So my spells went up to something like Telekinesis, and then started back over at something like Mount and went through Telekinesis again. (Not exact spells, that would require me to go get the bad copy off the shelf and look up exact page #'s, and since I've been sick for 3 days with the flu, I don't feel like it), but it gives you the idea.
The only problem with my books is I got the first printing of the Bestiary, where the cover was put on upside down. :)
But I have lugged both books all over the place, on the bus, etc. and they've held up very well. Very good strong cover and the binding is very good and sturdy.
The only problem with my books is I got the first printing of the Bestiary, where the cover was put on upside down. :)
They actually did that!?
My core book's cover has some a little creases on it after a good bit of use. I have seen someone else's copy with similar creasing but mine was handled quite a bit and some roughly so no complaints. The quality of the pages an layout are awesome.
...Then I got them in, and the second book had about 15 pages duplicated, last 12 pages of spells were the previous 15, and lost 3 pages of prestige classes (like page 357 to 372 or something like that)...
I had the exact same thing. Haven't contacted Paizo yet--I'm very lazy, and I have a "good" copy already. Sounds like I should angle for a replacement.
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The only problem with my books is I got the first printing of the Bestiary, where the cover was put on upside down. :)They actually did that!?
I've worked in the printing and publishing industry for many years ... mistakes happen. It's unfortunate, but all kinds of odd things happen from time to time. It's to Paizo's extreme credit that they make it right when it does happen (even though the mistake was entirely the printer's, not Paizo's!)
I had the exact same thing. Haven't contacted Paizo yet--I'm very lazy, and I have a "good" copy already. Sounds like I should angle for a replacement.
...Then I got them in, and the second book had about 15 pages duplicated, last 12 pages of spells were the previous 15, and lost 3 pages of prestige classes (like page 357 to 372 or something like that)...
I've seen a couple of people with the issue on here, seems like it's the same section to. I think it was one print run that got messed up, and the printer didn't tell Paizo, just sent them the bad ones and figured it was cheaper than running another print run (probably only half the people that get the bad one will take it back).
Note that's not a slam at Paizo, more at the chinese company that is doing the print runs.
Been using my Core Rulebook for months now an the only problem I'm having with it is that the upper right portion of the spine is starting to sag. That could just be from overuse of the front pages though.
Mine is quite sturdy, but I would never submit a hardback of such thickness to "the backpack torture" and expect it to retain its luster. Make use of the PDF and PRD resources available and if should last you a very long time. This approach will spare your back as well.
Mine is quite sturdy, but I would never submit a hardback of such thickness to "the backpack torture" and expect it to retain its luster. Make use of the PDF and PRD resources available and if should last you a very long time. This approach will spare your back as well.
Unfortunately, with my limited computer access, this isn't really an option for me, and my back hates me because of it.
Now that a few years have passed, I thought I'd ask again: How are your core books and bestiaries holding up?
I travel frequently with mine and over the years they've finally arrived at a point where I have to use duct-tape to hold them together.
Now that a few years have passed, I thought I'd ask again: How are your core books and bestiaries holding up?
I travel frequently with mine and over the years they've finally arrived at a point where I have to use duct-tape to hold them together.
For what may be obvious reasons my core rulebook, bestiary, and other books, get fairly little use. However, both my core rulebook and bestiary 1 covers bow outwards somewhat. In truth though, they've done that practically since day one. Other than that they're in almost the same condition from when they were originally purchased. However, as I said, they get next to no usage.
Mine made an unfortunate and unnecessary trip by mail across country four times! The spine has seen better days, but no lost pages yet, and that bad Larry is a 1st printing!
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My Core first printing August 2009 is good except the back cover has almost separated from the pages. If I open it to pages 574-575 the two pages are split apart about 1/4 to 1/8 inch and I can see the thread webbing which is the only thing holding the back cover on. It has not been abused, but has also not been handled with kid gloves. The bottom corners are also showing a little bit of wear.
My Core Rulebook gets moderate use, since I own PDFs of everything I have a book of, and sadly, my book is in pretty bad condition. The spine is breaking apart, the pages right inside the covers are fading and I'm afraid the entire book is going to come right out of the cover.
I don't know if it's because it spends a lot of time in my backpack or what, but it deteriorated pretty quickly after I got it. It is a 2nd printing from November 09. Every other book is in fine condition, despite roughly similar usage.
My core rulebook is in poor shape. I've got a first printing, and while the cover itself has held up wonderfully, where the cloth webbing holds the pages to the cover it's been gradually separating. now there's about a quarter inch of what looks like cheesecloth holding the pages to the binding, making the cover really loose. Sooner or later it's going to work itself free and I'll have to reglue it or something.
I'm not a bookbinder, so I don't know the proper terms for this stuff, but I do have a book on bookbinding in a box somewhere; I'll probably have to dig it out and rebind it within the next year or so.
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Just a note that we changed printers after the first two printings of the Core Rulebook and the first printing of the Bestiary. Those three print runs were all done by one printer, while every other Pathfinder RPG hardcover has been by our current printer. The reason we switched printers was *not* related to quality—the number of complaints we had about misprints or failed bindings was very reasonable given the print run sizes—but the incidence of such issues has gone down even further with the new printer.