Is there an item or spell that can change a person's alignment unwillingly?


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Under the atonement spell description, it states that you can atone for a magically changed alignment. It also gives you the option of magically changing another person's alignment, but only if they're willing. Are there other ways to change somebody's alignment, preferably ways that are unwilling on the part of the changing person? Inquiring minds and all...


Benn Roe wrote:
Are there other ways to change somebody's alignment, preferably ways that are unwilling on the part of the changing person? Inquiring minds and all...

The cursed Helm of Opposite Alignment (p 540) is probably the most common example.

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I'm not sure about rules-as-written, but I know many DM who feel that casting a spell with an alignment descriptor is an act in accord with that descriptor, and that repeated castings will shift a character's alignment.

(Or, even, heck, one casting, according to one DM on the PFS boards, who declared that, at his tables, casting animate dead just once would turn a character evil, and therefore make him an NPC in PFS play.)


... and the Deck of Many Things.

I think that some splatbook (Book of Vile Darkness?) had a spell that temporarily made you evil.

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Alignment change is also one of the Drawbacks listed on p. 538 of the core rulebook for cursed items. The fun thing with some of those is that it may not be permanent, depending on the item.


Mirror of Opposition still gives me nightmares at night...


Chris Mortika wrote:

I'm not sure about rules-as-written, but I know many DM who feel that casting a spell with an alignment descriptor is an act in accord with that descriptor, and that repeated castings will shift a character's alignment.

(Or, even, heck, one casting, according to one DM on the PFS boards, who declared that, at his tables, casting animate dead just once would turn a character evil, and therefore make him an NPC in PFS play.)

Creating undead is no longer an evil act in PFS. It has been well know that creating un-intelligent undead is a neutral act. If this is true to your game I suggest you talk to the boards for PFS.

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
Creating undead is no longer an evil act in PFS. It has been well know that creating un-intelligent undead is a neutral act. If this is true to your game I suggest you talk to the boards for PFS.

Is this a PFS-specific thing? Because Animate Dead is still "necromancy [evil]".

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I believe Captain Sir Hexen is mistaken, he certainly is about the change being "well known", but I'd be happy to see documentation otherwise.

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I would say this is a fair use of Bestow Curse, Wish or Miracle.


Chris Mortika wrote:

I'm not sure about rules-as-written, but I know many DM who feel that casting a spell with an alignment descriptor is an act in accord with that descriptor, and that repeated castings will shift a character's alignment.

It's always a matter of scope. If you use protection from evil as a devil-worshipper because you want to go eradicate demons who attacked your temple, I wouldn't call that an act of good really.

For me, the descriptor in of itself is worth 0.01 points of evil/chaos/order/goodness or something like that. Stuff like following a law even though it puts you at a disadvantage is probably worth 10 points of law or something like that).

Divine casters still don't get to cast those spells, of course.

Chris Mortika wrote:


(Or, even, heck, one casting, according to one DM on the PFS boards, who declared that, at his tables, casting animate dead just once would turn a character evil, and therefore make him an NPC in PFS play.)

You can't be evil in PFS? I didn't know that. Anyway, I hope he tells it to people up front, so they can avoid him like the plague. I mean, people like that probably have other issues as well.

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