I have to wonder since Pathfinder is doing so well, will we see other genre setting from Paizo for Pathfinder? I think the two biggest setting that fans of Pathfinder would want to see is Ravenlot and Dark Sun, does Paizo have any plans? Any info you and Paizo could let slip would be good.
...Ravenloft and Dark Sun...
Speaking of which... ;)
I have to wonder since Pathfinder is doing so well, will we see other genre setting from Paizo for Pathfinder? I think the two biggest setting that fans of Pathfinder would want to see is Ravenlot and Dark Sun, does Paizo have any plans? Any info you and Paizo could let slip would be good.
I'm pretty sure WotC has those locked up pretty tight. Dark Sun is next years setting for 4th and in Manual of the Planes (I think...) they mentioned Ravenloft.
I have to wonder since Pathfinder is doing so well, will we see other genre setting from Paizo for Pathfinder? I think the two biggest setting that fans of Pathfinder would want to see is Ravenlot and Dark Sun, does Paizo have any plans? Any info you and Paizo could let slip would be good.
Nice. Subtle.
How's the OT progress going anyway?
Speaking of which... ;)
I don't mean ME!!!! LOL!!! I mean Paizo. There will be NO Threadjack here. LOL!!!!
Nice. Subtle.
How's the OT progress going anyway?
NO THREADJACK!!!! NO THREADJACK!!!! LOL!!!
NO THREADJACK!!!! NO THREADJACK!!!! LOL!!!Nice. Subtle.
How's the OT progress going anyway?
*blink blink* I think I may have missed something here....
C'mon Louis, you know you wanna.... :-)
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Dark Sun, sure -- Planescape, sure. Paizo can rename and redo Dark Sun and Planescape and it'll do well.
But there's only one Ravenloft. Any redo of Ravenloft would just ruin it. It's a shame, too, because the last time WotC tried to add Ravenloft to the new edition (the first Expedition book) they produced the worst book in the D20 era.
It would be nice to see Paizo do it, but alas.
Dark Sun, sure -- Planescape, sure. Paizo can rename and redo Dark Sun and Planescape and it'll do well.
But there's only one Ravenloft. Any redo of Ravenloft would just ruin it. It's a shame, too, because the last time WotC tried to add Ravenloft to the new edition (the first Expedition book) they produced the worst book in the D20 era.
It would be nice to see Paizo do it, but alas.
I wish White Wolf could have kept Ravenloft. I thought they did a great job with it.
Actually, Paizo's already redone Ravenloft. We called it Scarwall :)
Come on Crystal give us a little something. How about what is the most popular setting/genre people at Paizo would like to do?
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The beauty of the Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting is that it already includes a lot of these iconic settings. Ustalav covers the gothic horror setting and Castrovel or Akiton sort of cover the psionic wasteland niche between the two of them. I don't think there is a reason to make a whole new setting just to emulate something from the game's past. And the more settings competing with one another, the less support any one of them will receive from Paizo. The only time I think it would be warranted would be if a new rules system came out, such as a future or modern variant of the PFRPG.
The Ravenloft analog would be Ustalav, would it not?
Looking forward to gothic horror adventures (whether it's the module line, or an AP) set there.
[Edit: And 3-second-ninja'd by yoda8myhead...!]
The beauty of the Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting is that it already includes a lot of these iconic settings.
Personally, I like the setting be seperate for the core setting. I liked that Ravenloft was a seperate demiplane with it own quote rules and flavor that was not part of the "main setting" of D&D. There all different types of fantasy and cross genre mash ups I would like to see Paizo try. Maybe just as oe off boxset with everything you need and nothing else would be made for. Make it a once a year type of thing so it is important.
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Didn't multiple CS proliferation contribute mightily to TSR's troubles?
Exactly the point I was going to make. That was one of the main reasons forthe demise of TSR. Minimum print runs for oodles of settings that were greater than the number of people that would buy them = lots of excess inventory. Plus, a team of writers for each setting gets costly.
Of course, digital publishing could minimize the exposure to some extent.
I think the focus should be to get the core mechanics nailed down.
Don't most folks make their own CS anyway? The only way TSR got away with it for as long as they did was because the companion novelsdrew people in. That, and all of Ed Greenwoods minions would say, "zOMG I wanna play Forgotten Realms so I COULD BE DRIZZITZS!!!11"
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Paizo's already redone Ravenloft. We called it Scarwall :)
What I'm saying is that Paizo can recreate (and we'd buy it) Dark Sun-like and Planescape-like stuff and rename it but can't recreate Ravenloft because Horror fluff is one thing and Ravenloft quite another.
Make some great horror stuff using the same tropes but don't call it Ravenloft.
Ravenloft is Strahd, Barovia, Madame Eva, Castle Ravenloft. As for Azalin and Mordent and Van Richten and Dementlieu and Richemulot, etc., they're great but only peripherally Ravenloft. These are names you can't change.
You can't have Ravenloft without Strahd.
"Scarwall" is awesome, though!
So is "Carnival of Fear"!
So is RotRL #2 by Pett.
But none of those are Ravenloft. I wish Paizo could do Ravenloft.
NO THREADJACK!!!! NO THREADJACK!!!! LOL!!!Nice. Subtle.
How's the OT progress going anyway?
*hangs head and cries*
Personally, I like the setting be seperate for the core setting. I liked that Ravenloft was a seperate demiplane with it own quote rules and flavor that was not part of the "main setting" of D&D. There all different types of fantasy and cross genre mash ups I would like to see Paizo try. Maybe just as oe off boxset with everything you need and nothing else would be made for. Make it a once a year type of thing so it is important.
Huh. That sounds like it's directly against almost everything Paizo has publicly said so far about it's plans and strategy.
I really doubt Paizo will be producing any additional campaign settings for quite some time. They don't have the staff to dedicate to a second (or third) campaign setting.
Ravenloft == Ustalav
I think Dark Sun type stuff will be set on a different planet/ area in the Golarion Solar system.
Of course, digital publishing could minimize the exposure to some extent.
This isn't the case, most of the expenses in making a setting/ adventure are in the design and artwork not in printing. If Paizo can't sell enough of something to merit a print run they won't earn enough to bother producing it. They almost never do digital only runs.
perhaps there will be a 3rd party publisher creating one. 4 Winds has basically said they will
I would like to see a bleak Victorian Era setting, much akin to Philip Reed's vs. Monsters. Sinister, dark and somewhat nihilistic in nature.
I think Paizo hinted at eventually using the other planets for different flavored settings. Both Castrovel and Akiton lend themselves to planetary romance styles of play.
I really like the mixed bag approach Paizo took for the main Pathfinder CS; if you want a certain genre flavour, you can stick to certain areas or you can go on a big genre roulette tour. Much like Ravenloft, the realms each also have a very modular design that can be 'cut and pasted' into homebrew campaigns with relative ease on different scale levels.
Third party publishers would be taking less of a gamble if they wanted to do more specific CS material, but they'd have to shape it into a similar modular design scheme that I could take bits and pieces from and please, please stop creating an entirely new core rulebook every time you have some clever campaign ideas.
I think Paizo hinted at eventually using the other planets for different flavored settings. Both Castrovel and Akiton lend themselves to planetary romance styles of play.
They are interesting. That articles in the AP leaves a lot of possibilites
Don't most folks make their own CS anyway?
Couldn't say. All I can say is that almost everything I've ever played in D&D/PF wise took place in a published campaign world, at least to some degree.
It was mostly self-made adventures (before the Advent of Pathfinder, at least), but whole-sale world creation was basically unheard-of in my gaming circles.
As it stands, i am fairly happy with the way that the current PF system runs, if i want other flavour, i just add in my own, which isnt that hard.
although i would love to see a PF modern/futuristic setting, and a setting simialr to WotCs FR CS, but their take on how societies would exist and function under the ground.
[...]Ravenloft is Strahd, Barovia, Madame Eva, Castle Ravenloft. As for Azalin and Mordent and Van Richten and Dementlieu and Richemulot, etc., they're great but only peripherally Ravenloft. These are names you can't change.
You can't have Ravenloft without Strahd.
[...] I wish Paizo could do Ravenloft.
I wholeheartedly agree with you :-)
It seems quite unlikely that Paizo would publish other settings, for all the reasons previously stated, but it would be great if some daring 3rd-party publisher would license Ravenloft and publish it under Pathfinder rules (even better if it continued ArtHaus/White Wolf designs, employing former Kargatane members to write it). I mean, WotC doesn't seem to be doing much with the brand, except for the forthcoming Castle Ravenloft board game, and the Realms of Dread features in Dragon don't even have any kind of connection with the actual setting, so it would be a matter of money + willingness for someone to acquire the license to publish the setting as we know it.[/daydreaming] :-p
C'mon Louis, you know you wanna.... :-)
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For a horror setting, I'd rather Pathfinder went for more of a Lovecraftian theme than Ravenloft's gothic theme. Pathfinder has already included quite a few of the Mythos creatures. It's too bad the d20 Call of Cthulhu can't be Pathfinder-ized, at least officially.
Anyway, a Lovecraftian Pathfinder setting could see a steadily increasing number of invasionas from the Far Realm, etc.
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Dark Sun, sure -- Planescape, sure. Paizo can rename and redo Dark Sun and Planescape and it'll do well.
But there's only one Ravenloft. Any redo of Ravenloft would just ruin it. It's a shame, too, because the last time WotC tried to add Ravenloft to the new edition (the first Expedition book) they produced the worst book in the D20 era.
It would be nice to see Paizo do it, but alas.
The worst book in the d20 era?! really?! Wow. It was one of my favorites (in regards to adventure books).
Now the remake of Queen of the Demonweb pits, that was horrendous and potentially the worst hardcover adventure of the d20 area IMHO.
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So instead of a new and separate campaign setting book, how about a sub-setting book that goes very deep into detail about Ustalav. Whole chapters could be devoted to the area's people and culture with others focusing on the movers and shakers of Ustalav's government, just as examples. Something with enough substance to support whole campaigns in Ustalav without a busy DM having to do so much of the background work. A real thorough treatment, bigger than your average AP but less than a seperate campaign setting book.
Tam
Dark Sun, sure -- Planescape, sure. Paizo can rename and redo Dark Sun and Planescape and it'll do well.
But there's only one Ravenloft. Any redo of Ravenloft would just ruin it. It's a shame, too, because the last time WotC tried to add Ravenloft to the new edition (the first Expedition book) they produced the worst book in the D20 era.
It would be nice to see Paizo do it, but alas.
The worst book in the d20 era?! really?! Wow. It was one of my favorites (in regards to adventure books).
Now the remake of Queen of the Demonweb pits, that was horrendous and potentially the worst hardcover adventure of the d20 area IMHO.
I always thought Champions of Ruin was the worst 3e book. At least the worst I've seen.
For a horror setting, I'd rather Pathfinder went for more of a Lovecraftian theme than Ravenloft's gothic theme.
Personally, I am more of a vampire/werewolf fan than a tentacled uber-monster
I always thought Champions of Ruin was the worst 3e book. At least the worst I've seen.
It was one of the worst FR 3.5 books for certain
Of the existing settings out there I would love to play 'Pathfinderzied' Planescape.
It is my favourite setting and it has flavour bursting out every which way.
Also it seems very paizo'esque, all of this mish mash muddle of things forming into one huge yet understandable and not city.
Where else could you have a campaign where you could have one to twenty without leaving the city or going everywhere it is limitless in what you can do.
Want to go to a realm of thought, where emotions make the presence of person rather than there normal appearance, sure why not?
Want to go somewhere you become a hero in a story of legend of legends past without changing the story instead you become the story, sure I can do that...
Or how about a session colour of your characters eyes charts there power.
You can do anything from the most fantastical to very pedistran.
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How about an "I Am Legend" meets "Resident Evil: Apocolypse" type of setting where everything on the planet is undead except a few hold outs which includes the PCs?
A smaller variation on this could revolve around an adventure set amongst the 'chattel' caste of Geb, living in the eternal shadow of the obsidian, ivory and iron palaces of the undead upper class, never knowing when they are going to be hauled away to be served as supper at a Ghoulish aristocrats banquet, or hung like decorations from spikes on the wall for the feeding pleasure of Vampire courtiers.
Or just stabbed through the heart, animated and sent to work in the fields. (Living workers are so much less reliable. Best to wait until they reach full growth and then kill and animate them...)
It would be very much like a zombie apocalypse movie, only the undead run the place and you are the skulking dangers, trying to avoid getting eaten and making the desperate break for 'anywhere but here.'
The movie ends with the survivors huddled on a boat, headed out to sea, to escape the zombies sent to bring them back, in homage to one of the last Dawn of the Dead remakes.
C'mon Louis, you know you wanna.... :-)
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Instead of seeing another CS for Pathfinder, I would rather see a new game of a different genre altogether.
Maybe one of these:
-space opera
- any era modern from WWI up to futuristic (we can even go with an alternate reality to spice things up if needed)
- something dark awful and Lovecraftian
- I would even be open to board games or card games if they were good.
- Post apocalyptic in any era
I think that Golarion pretty much covers a lot of popular fantasy concepts, and it has enough holes and open space that I can easily insert new concepts. I want something brand spankin new in terms of gameplay and genre in whole. I know its a long way off, if ever, but I would vastly prefer it to another CS.
love,
malkav
C'mon Louis, you know you wanna.... :-)
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why just on chrismas I give all year round...
A smaller variation on this could revolve around an adventure set amongst the 'chattel' caste of Geb, living in the eternal shadow of the obsidian, ivory and iron palaces of the undead upper class, never knowing when they are going to be hauled away to be served as supper at a Ghoulish aristocrats banquet, or hung like decorations from spikes on the wall for the feeding pleasure of Vampire courtiers.
Or just stabbed through the heart, animated and sent to work in the fields. (Living workers are so much less reliable. Best to wait until they reach full growth and then kill and animate them...)
It would be very much like a zombie apocalypse movie, only the undead run the place and you are the skulking dangers, trying to avoid getting eaten and making the desperate break for 'anywhere but here.'
The movie ends with the survivors huddled on a boat, headed out to sea, to escape the zombies sent to bring them back, in homage to one of the last Dawn of the Dead remakes.
Set, your description actually made me think of Vampire Hunter D.