Since the unarmed strike of the monk specifically states that there is no such thing as an off-hand attack for it's unarmed strikes, Power Attack would affect all his attacks fully.
Double Slice wouldn't do anything for a monk, he effectively has it already.
Monks apply power attack at -1/+2 to all attacks when making FoB.
Monks do not actually have TWF feats even though their FoB emulates it. But in essence they get the benefit of Double Slice too.
Power Attack is ruled by BAB. A monk using Power Attack is restricted by BAB rather than by the FoB attack bonus.
EDIT: Ninja'ed
Monks apply power attack at -1/+2 to all attacks when making FoB.
RAW state that it is the case when he fights unarmed. I didn't see that, when using two monk weapons, it was the case for his off-hand attacks.
Power Attack is ruled by BAB. A monk using Power Attack is restricted by BAB rather than by the FoB attack bonus.
I feel that we are going to open that can of worms again...
For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level.
When your base attack bonus reaches +4, and every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by –1 and the bonus to damage increases by +2. You must choose to use this feat before making an attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn.
IMO, these are compatible. The monk decides to flurry, and, before his first attack, he decides to power attack as well. For the purpose of these attacks, his BAB has reached a new value, which is used to compute the penalty/bonus PA gives.
EDIT: Ninja'ed too...
Keep in mind also that the flurry is a very different situation. Technically, a monk with a single nunchaku or sai can take all his flurry attacks with that one weapon. Since it's a special mechanic, I really don't think the offhand rules apply.
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage
rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows,
whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a
weapon wielded in both hands.
As I read this the monk always uses x1 Str when using FoB, regardless of weapon.
For the purpose of these
attacks, the monk’s base attack bonus is equal to his monk
level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a
prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.
The way I interpret the bold case wording is that with regard to feats the monk uses his normal 3/4 BAB.
Power Attack, Combat Expertise and Deadly Aim are all progresive feats that automatically upgrade themselves to match the campaign level. With regard to these I view the upgrades as something the character qualifies to by merit of his level/BAB. Therefore in this case I would let the monks BAB be the ruling factor and not the monks level.If an official statement or erratum is made on this I will of course abide by that in stead.
For the purpose of these
attacks, the monk’s base attack bonus is equal to his monk
level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a
prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.
The way I interpret the bold case wording is that with regard to feats the monk uses his normal 3/4 BAB.
Power Attack, Combat Expertise and Deadly Aim are all progresive feats that automatically upgrade themselves to match the campaign level. With regard to these I view the upgrades as something the character qualifies to by merit of his level/BAB. Therefore in this case I would let the monks BAB be the ruling factor and not the monks level.
I understand your position, but my interpretation is different: when I read "qualifying for a feat", I understand as "qualifying to get a feat", in the spirit of "qualifying for a prestige class" means "qualifying to get a prestige class". There are several feats which prerequisites list a BAB, and I totally agree that a monk can't select such feats if his 3/4 BAB isn't sufficient.
In my interpretation, a 12-level monk using power attack on a single or iterative attack will get -2/+4, while, when flurrying, he'll get -3/+6.
I understand your position, but my interpretation is different: when I read "qualifying for a feat", I understand as "qualifying to get a feat", in the spirit of "qualifying for a prestige class" means "qualifying to get a prestige class". There are several feats which prerequisites list a BAB, and I totally agree that a monk can't select such feats if his 3/4 BAB isn't sufficient.
In my interpretation, a 12-level monk using power attack on a single or iterative attack will get -2/+4, while, when flurrying, he'll get -3/+6.
I can agree to disagree on that, but the difference is relatively minor.
I take it you agree on the 1X Str for all FoB attacks, though.
As I read this the monk always uses x1 Str when using FoB, regardless of weapon.A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage
rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows,
whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a
weapon wielded in both hands.
Yes, although it doesn't specifically mention Power Attack. So a monk flurrying using a 2-handed weapon (like a quarterstaff) might be able to get away with using the -1/+3 version of Power Attack, if the DM was so inclined to rule that way.
Yes, although it doesn't specifically mention Power Attack. So a monk flurrying using a 2-handed weapon (like a quarterstaff) might be able to get away with using the -1/+3 version of Power Attack, if the DM was so inclined to rule that way.
There is no specific mention of it under Powr Attack, but is it not implied on p.57?
Yes, although it doesn't specifically mention Power Attack. So a monk flurrying using a 2-handed weapon (like a quarterstaff) might be able to get away with using the -1/+3 version of Power Attack, if the DM was so inclined to rule that way.There is no specific mention of it under Powr Attack, but is it not implied on p.57?
Yes, it is implied.
I understand your position, but my interpretation is different: (...)I can agree to disagree on that, but the difference is relatively minor.
I take it you agree on the 1X Str for all FoB attacks, though.
The difference is relatively minor (-1/+2), but scales with the number of attacks, and with level (and other feats are affected too, like Combat Expertise). In the end, it will be a Player/GM discussion.
I agree on the 1xStr for all FoB attacks, mainly because it's much simpler that way (rather than asking "which hand strikes with which weapon" all the time).
(...) a monk flurrying using a 2-handed weapon (like a quarterstaff) might be able to get away with using the -1/+3 (...)
The quarterstaff is the only 2-handed weapon available for a FoB. The rule for FoB (as read from the online PRD) say that flurrying is like using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. If you use your quarterstaff two-handed, you can't use all attacks from a Flurry. If you use it like a two-headed weapon, you can flurry with either head, but your Power Attack only gives you -1/+2.
(...) a monk flurrying using a 2-handed weapon (like a quarterstaff) might be able to get away with using the -1/+3 (...)The quarterstaff is the only 2-handed weapon available for a FoB. The rule for FoB (as read from the online PRD) say that flurrying is like using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. If you use your quarterstaff two-handed, you can't use all attacks from a Flurry. If you use it like a two-headed weapon, you can flurry with either head, but your Power Attack only gives you -1/+2.
Excellent point
(...) a monk flurrying using a 2-handed weapon (like a quarterstaff) might be able to get away with using the -1/+3 (...)The quarterstaff is the only 2-handed weapon available for a FoB. The rule for FoB (as read from the online PRD) say that flurrying is like using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. If you use your quarterstaff two-handed, you can't use all attacks from a Flurry. If you use it like a two-headed weapon, you can flurry with either head, but your Power Attack only gives you -1/+2.
Well, there is a feat in the Eberron Campaign Setting that allows you to flurry with a longspear. But at any rate, the rules make it clear that you can flurry with a weapon wielded in both hands:
"A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands."
I agree that the intent is probably for a monk to get no benefit (Str bonus, Power Attack or otherwise) from wielding a weapon in two hands.
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"There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed."
No offhand penalties?
"A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows..."
The "no such thing as offhand" simply means "full strength bonus" and has nothing to do with offhand penalties which you still take with Monk and Flurry.