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TWD gives you a +1 shield bonus to AC, +2 if fighting defensively. Is that it? Ever? Do bonuses from masterwork or magical weapons raise the bonus?
Fending off attacks with a parrying dagger just fits so well with my image of my swashbuckler guy, but do I really spend a feat to get +1 to AC, which I can just as easily get from Dodge or a 15gp buckler (okay, I'd have to spend 165gp to get a penalty-free masterwork buckler).
Seems like there ought to be a bit more to TWD. Thoughts?
TWD gives you a +1 shield bonus to AC, +2 if fighting defensively. Is that it? Ever? Do bonuses from masterwork or magical weapons raise the bonus?
Fending off attacks with a parrying dagger just fits so well with my image of my swashbuckler guy, but do I really spend a feat to get +1 to AC, which I can just as easily get from Dodge or a 15gp buckler (okay, I'd have to spend 165gp to get a penalty-free masterwork buckler).
Seems like there ought to be a bit more to TWD. Thoughts?
Thats it. Its a flat bonus to AC regardless of what actuions you are taking with your off.hand weapon. It stacks with Dodge so it really is not about chosing one over the other, but about stacking them if yo can afford it.
In addition it may provide a prerequisite for Improved two weapon fighting (PHB2?).Bucklers are also very good for extra AC, but you need the Improved buckler defense feat (CW/PHB2?) in order to benefit from the buckler when attacking with the off-hand weapon. It is a stronger combination, but also requires you spend feats.
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As Grandfather said; I would have loved that more feats would scale up in the similar way they did in Beta, but I suspect that would have been "too much" at this point for backwards compatibility.
If you ask me, pick either Dodge or TWD, but taking both is not worth it -- there are better feats in the book (Double Rend, for example).
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Just FYI that a dodge bonus is always better than a shield bonus though. Not only does it stack with other bonuses (dodge or shield), it applies to touch AC and CMD.
About the only purpose, in my opinion, for TWD is either as a second AC bonus after dodge, or for those rangers with low dex who don't have 13 dex for dodge.
Just FYI that a dodge bonus is always better than a shield bonus though. Not only does it stack with other bonuses (dodge or shield), it applies to touch AC and CMD.
About the only purpose, in my opinion, for TWD is either as a second AC bonus after dodge, or for those rangers with low dex who don't have 13 dex for dodge.
As I see it the TW defense feat is for the dedicated finesse fighter/duelist with enough feats to spare who will not benefit from heavy armor and shields. It is a suplement to high Dex and Dodge feat.
In the PF and 3.5 books... no. However, if you get your DM's permission there is an AEG book out there designed for 3.0 called FEATS. It has a "Improved Two-Weapon Defense" feat inside it. And technically you can use the book due to the OGL. But I stress only showing the DM that feat and staying away from anyother feats that in that book. There are too many broken feats in that book which can and will detract from the game as a whole.
If you look hard enough you'll find a PDF version online since the book is out of print some... 5 to 10 years now.
HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY BATMAN!!!
it's only been 3 years... That's not enough time to turn from Zombie to skeleton yet....
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Scenario. A character has a two handed weapon, and with a free action, releases one hand to cast a spell. After casting, he uses a free action to grab hold of the two handed weapon again with the free hand.
Does the character get the benefit of the two handed weapon defensive feat throughout the entire round? What if an enemy timed their attack to disrupt the spell, and attacked when the character was only holding the two handed weapon (not wielding)?
Thoughts?
And if so...would its shield bonus to AC stack with the shield bonus to AC granted by the Two-Weapon Defense feat?
And, yes, I do realize that most bonuses don't stack...
No, it would not stack. Both are shield bonuses.
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Scenario. A character has a two handed weapon, and with a free action, releases one hand to cast a spell. After casting, he uses a free action to grab hold of the two handed weapon again with the free hand.
Does the character get the benefit of the two handed weapon defensive feat throughout the entire round? What if an enemy timed their attack to disrupt the spell, and attacked when the character was only holding the two handed weapon (not wielding)?
Thoughts?
I've never heard of this feat! Where is it from?
This thread is about a feat which works when wielding two weapons.
If there were a feat that improves AC when wielding a two-handed weapon, then it would apply if you are holding it with two hands at the moment you are attacked.
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Yeah, I meant the two weapon defense feat. Which is applicable if you're wielding a double weapon. With two hands. That's what the original question is about.
Fair enough. : )
In that case, as I said, if you have both hands on the double weapon when you are attacked then you get the shield bonus to AC from the feat.
yeah, probably helps to say that you're talking about a double weapon and not just any 2-handed weapon...
as long as you are wielding (threatening with) both ends, i.e. two weapons, then two weapon defense applies.
i agree with the earlier poster Ohako, it's apparently not Paizo-blessed,
but in non-PFS games i like to allow applying Shield Enchantments to Weapons (double weapon or not),
those normally have no effect because wielding weapons doesn't enable any shield bonus normally,
but if/when Two Weapon Defense is activated, then that is true, and the Shield Enhancements kick in.
That kind of makes the Feat more worthwhile, although you have to pay for the Shield Enchantment like anybody else.
Spiked Shields already allow both Enchants, this is similar just that the Shield aspect 'disappears' except when 2WD is active.
The Shield Enchantment working when the weapon enables a Shield Bonus (due to Two Weapon Defense) also is relevant for some other cases, like Meteor Hammer can itself offer a Shield Bonus (without Two Weapon Defense Feat), and the same should apply there.
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And if they only held the double weapon in one hand, they would NOT get the TWD bonus because they could not be wielding the weapon (as per RAW). Correct?
In that case, as I said, if you have both hands on the double weapon when you are attacked then you get the shield bonus to AC from the feat.
Correct!
Of course! What possible counter argument could there be? : )