| Gyftomancer |
As i can remember Dwarves ride ponies. They can also ride normal horses? The only penalty is the -5 ride check for riding unsual mounts? But there is no penalty if a dwarf wants only to ride and not perform anything special?
What about humans that want to ride ponis or riding dogs?
I ask because i cant remember the rule and i find a little rediculus for someone to ride anything he wants.
| Gyftomancer |
In fact, I don't think D&D dwarves can ride ponies; a size M creature can't ride another size M creature. So it's horses only, as far as I know.
So, where is this rule? And in general which is the rule for riding unsual creatures and not having a penalty? Do you have to spent ranks in riding ("specific creaature")?
| GRU |
In fact, I don't think D&D dwarves can ride ponies; a size M creature can't ride another size M creature. So it's horses only, as far as I know.
Humans can and do ride ponies. A pony doesn't have to be small, though they are smaller than regular horses. I couldn't find anything about dwarfs not riding horses, but it has been a sort of tradition in my campaigns that they didn't like horses...
GRU
| hogarth |
hogarth wrote:In fact, I don't think D&D dwarves can ride ponies; a size M creature can't ride another size M creature. So it's horses only, as far as I know.So, where is this rule? And in general which is the rule for riding unsual creatures and not having a penalty? Do you have to spent ranks in riding ("specific creaature")?
Huh. Good point. Maybe I just made up that rule...
| The Grandfather |
hogarth wrote:In fact, I don't think D&D dwarves can ride ponies; a size M creature can't ride another size M creature. So it's horses only, as far as I know.So, where is this rule? And in general which is the rule for riding unsual creatures and not having a penalty? Do you have to spent ranks in riding ("specific creaature")?
If you attempt to ride a creature that is ill suited as a
mount, you take a –5 penalty on your Ride checks.
I am 95% sure the rules state that a mount must be at least 1 size category larger than the rider, but no more than 2 size categories larger. However, I do not remeber the page number.
Horse: A horse is suitable as a mount for a human, dwarf,
elf, half-elf, or half-orc. A pony is smaller than a horse and
is a suitable mount for a gnome or halfling.
This paragraph should however answer your question.
| Weylin |
A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
| The Grandfather |
A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
The pony in the game is basically just any small horse. Likewise the Connemara is just a horse (regardles of real world terminology).
Your suggested house rule only makes the game unnecesarily convoluted.Personally I prefer to have my dwarves ride dire boars!
| Weylin |
Weylin wrote:A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
The pony in the game is basically just any small horse. Likewise the Connemara is just a horse (regardles of real world terminology).
Your suggested house rule only makes the game unnecesarily convoluted.Personally I prefer to have my dwarves ride dire boars!
From the height and weight, the connemara is almost exactly between the size of a horse and a pony in the SRD. Unfortunately, there is a wide range of pony sizes...even more so than horses.
This is why i enjoyed the article on horses of forgotten realms so much.
-Weylin
| Gyftomancer |
PRPG p. 103, Ride skill description wrote:
If you attempt to ride a creature that is ill suited as a
mount, you take a –5 penalty on your Ride checks.Thats true. I know about this rule but if you simply want to ride and not perform any special task you dont have to roll for a ride check. So by rulelawing you can ride any mount you want...
I am 95% sure the rules state that a mount must be at least 1 size category larger than the rider, but no more than 2 size categories larger. However, I do not remeber the page number.
Thats a nice rule for most of the situations. But using this rule you cant ride at all an exotic and very big mount like a dragon. You cant add -5 on your ride check. You just cant ride a very big mount. Right? So for example paladins can not ride very big dragons.
PRPG p. 162 wrote:This paragraph should however answer your question.Horse: A horse is suitable as a mount for a human, dwarf,
elf, half-elf, or half-orc. A pony is smaller than a horse and
is a suitable mount for a gnome or halfling.
Yes this paragraph answered my question.
But after everything that i ve read here i think there should be some house rules. Because i ve never read for dwarven cavalry.| The Grandfather |
The real question here is: If you ride a dwarf, and he gets hit in combat, can you make that hit miss with a successful ride check?
Yes, if the rider has Mounted Combat feat.
But the rider would have to be small and would still get a -5 penalty for riding an unsuitable mount.That of course is just going by the rules.
Any GM in his right mind is free to ban that and any similar combinations. I can easily imagine all your players wanting a helper monkey cohort on his or her back in order to avoid getting hit once per round.
:P
| mdt |
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Entropi wrote:The real question here is: If you ride a dwarf, and he gets hit in combat, can you make that hit miss with a successful ride check?Yes, if the rider has Mounted Combat feat.
But the rider would have to be small and would still get a -5 penalty for riding an unsuitable mount.
That of course is just going by the rules.
Any GM in his right mind is free to ban that and any similar combinations. I can easily imagine all your players wanting a helper monkey cohort on his or her back in order to avoid getting hit once per round.
:P
It's not the halfling riding the dwarf that's the problem, that's easy to ban.
It's the male halfling riding the female centaur (who's wearing a full body leather harness, don't ask) that get's really complicated. ;)
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Entropi wrote:The real question here is: If you ride a dwarf, and he gets hit in combat, can you make that hit miss with a successful ride check?Yes, if the rider has Mounted Combat feat.
But the rider would have to be small and would still get a -5 penalty for riding an unsuitable mount.
That of course is just going by the rules.
Any GM in his right mind is free to ban that and any similar combinations. I can easily imagine all your players wanting a helper monkey cohort on his or her back in order to avoid getting hit once per round.
:P
That monkey on your shoulder would need to be Awakened, because Mounted Combat is not in the list of Animal Feats. But Awakened costs 2,000gp, afterwhich you could make that monkey your cohort... so I don't see a problem as long as he takes that feat. Very clever if you ask me, especially if you're a mage or something with low hit points that does not like to get hit...
| The Grandfather |
The Grandfather wrote:That monkey on your shoulder would need to be Awakened, because Mounted Combat is not in the list of Animal Feats. But Awakened costs 2,000gp, afterwhich you could make that monkey your cohort... so I don't see a problem as long as he takes that feat. Very clever if you ask me, especially if you're a mage or something with low hit points that does not like to get hit...Entropi wrote:The real question here is: If you ride a dwarf, and he gets hit in combat, can you make that hit miss with a successful ride check?Yes, if the rider has Mounted Combat feat.
But the rider would have to be small and would still get a -5 penalty for riding an unsuitable mount.
That of course is just going by the rules.
Any GM in his right mind is free to ban that and any similar combinations. I can easily imagine all your players wanting a helper monkey cohort on his or her back in order to avoid getting hit once per round.
:P
When I say "helper monkey", that might just as well be a gnome or other small individual. Don't put too much into the "monkey" bit.
Asgetrion
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A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
Look, boy, I'll spell it out for you: we dwarves don't ride -- ever! Not horses, not ponies, not dire bats... we have two perfectly functioning feet to carry us wherever we want to go!
| Weylin |
Weylin wrote:Look, boy, I'll spell it out for you: we dwarves don't ride -- ever! Not horses, not ponies, not dire bats... we have two perfectly functioning feet to carry us wherever we want to go!A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
Yes you do. Good thing your species lives so long. It's the only reason you ever get anywhere. Dwarven Express: when it absolutely positively has to be there next decade. ;)
Purple Dragon Knight
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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:When I say "helper monkey", that might just as well be a gnome or other small individual. Don't put too much into the "monkey" bit.The Grandfather wrote:That monkey on your shoulder would need to be Awakened, because Mounted Combat is not in the list of Animal Feats. But Awakened costs 2,000gp, afterwhich you could make that monkey your cohort... so I don't see a problem as long as he takes that feat. Very clever if you ask me, especially if you're a mage or something with low hit points that does not like to get hit...Entropi wrote:The real question here is: If you ride a dwarf, and he gets hit in combat, can you make that hit miss with a successful ride check?Yes, if the rider has Mounted Combat feat.
But the rider would have to be small and would still get a -5 penalty for riding an unsuitable mount.
That of course is just going by the rules.
Any GM in his right mind is free to ban that and any similar combinations. I can easily imagine all your players wanting a helper monkey cohort on his or her back in order to avoid getting hit once per round.
:P
I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot pole. I once made the mistake to call (in-character) someone monkey, and quickly found out that in-character or not, it is considered offensive by many cultures. So when you said monkey I took you at the litteral sense. :P
Purple Dragon Knight
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Weylin wrote:Look, boy, I'll spell it out for you: we dwarves don't ride -- ever! Not horses, not ponies, not dire bats... we have two perfectly functioning feet to carry us wherever we want to go!A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
The Skyguard of the Great Rift would disagree with you! :)
They even developed "drogue wings" (static batman-like wings) to glide downwards if they fall off their hippogriff. :)
[slaps himself for bringing up the Realms in this conversation...]
| grasshopper_ea |
A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
Read the dwarven trilogy from the dragonlance series. One group the Hylar dwarves rode horses so large a human couldn't control them. First book is slow but it gets incredibly awesome as it progresses on.
| grasshopper_ea |
I tried to get through the dwarven trilogy but couldnt. I really lost interest in Krynn after the war of twins storyline finished. and at a bit over 4 foot, that doesnt mean they did not look more than a bit silly to me riding huge horses.
With proper use of the intimidate skill -2 CHA can be overcome and noone will laugh.
Asgetrion
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Asgetrion wrote:Weylin wrote:Look, boy, I'll spell it out for you: we dwarves don't ride -- ever! Not horses, not ponies, not dire bats... we have two perfectly functioning feet to carry us wherever we want to go!A dwarf on a full size horse borders on the comical to me. I'd personally house-rule it and let them ride a pony. Ponies are surprisingly strong for their size in real life and most would not have a problem hauling around a dwarf all day.
I would also imagine that since halflings and gnomes have been known to breed riding dogs that dwarves closer to the surface probably breed stronger ponies.
The Connemara pony of our world has no trouble carrying a full-grown adult.
-Weylin
The Skyguard of the Great Rift would disagree with you! :)
They even developed "drogue wings" (static batman-like wings) to glide downwards if they fall off their hippogriff. :)
[slaps himself for bringing up the Realms in this conversation...]
Well, those Great Rift dandies and batlovers from Oghrann are not *real*, Golarion-bred, Asmodeus-fearing dwarves. Those boys have foolish dreams of imitating silly human knights from Nimbral with their shining lances and tame griffons and whatnot; if dwarves were meant to fly, we would have real, natural wings, wouldn't we? And if dwarves were meant to ride, we would have... er... you know... well, we would just be riding, okay? And yet we do not.
Asgetrion
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Asgetrion wrote:Look, boy, I'll spell it out for you: we dwarves don't ride -- ever! Not horses, not ponies, not dire bats... we have two perfectly functioning feet to carry us wherever we want to go!You tell 'em! I don't trust any other creatures legs more'n I trust the ones Torag gave me!
That's the spirit! Yea, those silly humans think they know us... BAH! They don' know *squat* about true dwarves! I swear it's all because of that weird Bullman guy who wrote some sort of Pathfinding book...
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Look, boy, I'll spell it out for you: we dwarves don't ride -- ever! Not horses, not ponies, not dire bats... we have two perfectly functioning feet to carry us wherever we want to go!
Well maybe yer clan dinna ride, but bear calvary is well known among my folk. Nothing like a couple o' hundred pounds of furry fury in yer face!
And the bear's pretty scary too.