Had a funny question about some wording in the Wizard section:
Does the 2 new spells per level mean:
2 new spells per level per available spell level?
Or 2 new spells per level, altogether?
per level in the caster class. Wizard 4 gained a 2 spells at level 2,3 and 4. Wizard 2/fighter 2, just gained em on level 2 of wizard
You do not gain them for levels spent on the none caster class.
Had a funny question about some wording in the Wizard section:
Does the 2 new spells per level mean:
2 new spells per level per available spell level?
Or 2 new spells per level, altogether?
I have always read it as gaining two new spells for your caster either of the new caster level gained (if one) or any two new spells for levels he/she can cast.
So a wizard going to third level could take two 2nd level spells or one 2nd and a 1st if he/she wanted. Going to 4th could take two more 2nd level spells or two 1st level spells.*edit* Beaten to the post!
Had a funny question about some wording in the Wizard section:
Does the 2 new spells per level mean:
2 new spells per level per available spell level?
Or 2 new spells per level, altogether?
The PRGFD says "At each new wizard level, he gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new wizard level) for his spellbook."
Seems pretty clear to me.
It's 2 spells total. They can each be of any level you can cast. So at 5th-level, you can choose 2 3rd-level spells. Or 2 1st-level spells (but usually, people choose two spells of the highest level available, unless that level doesn't have anything they would ever use)
Had a funny question about some wording in the Wizard section:
Does the 2 new spells per level mean:
2 new spells per level per available spell level?
Or 2 new spells per level, altogether?The PRGFD says "At each new wizard level, he gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new wizard level) for his spellbook."
Seems pretty clear to me.
I agree, but it brings up a related question I have.
Does a wizard in a PrC would get spells added to their spellbook when they gain levels in their prestige class?
A literal reading "At each new wizard level..." seems to indicate not. Additionally, the prestige class rules explicitly call out sorcerers gain additional spells known for sorcerer but doesn't mention wizards add new spells to their spellbooks.
According to the rules should the wizard/ PrC add new spells to their book on leveling? How do you run your games?
Trust me, I know that this isn't a definitive source, but Neverwinter Nights actually didn't give you the free spells when you leveled up in a spellcasting progression PrC instead of wizard. It may not be what is intended, but at least one group working with the rules felt that it was a valid interpretation.
I agree, but it brings up a related question I have.
Does a wizard in a PrC would get spells added to their spellbook when they gain levels in their prestige class?
A literal reading "At each new wizard level..." seems to indicate not. Additionally, the prestige class rules explicitly call out sorcerers gain additional spells known for sorcerer but doesn't mention wizards add new spells to their spellbooks.
According to the rules should the wizard/ PrC add new spells to their book on leveling? How do you run your games?
For the answer, look to the PcC. Ex. Arcane Tricksters says: When a new arcane trickster level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if she had also gained a level in a spellcasting class she belonged to before adding the prestige class. She does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained, except for additional spells per day, spells known (if she is a spontaneous spellcaster), and an increased effective level of spell casting.
Seems clear to me that they would not get the two new spells added to the spell book for free, since it specifies that only spontaneous casters get new spells known.
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A literal reading "At each new wizard level..." seems to indicate not. Additionally, the prestige class rules explicitly call out sorcerers gain additional spells known for sorcerer but doesn't mention wizards add new spells to their spellbooks.
I've seen a CustServ reply that Wizards do gain new spells / level (and new Specialization bonus spells, even if they PrC out of Specialist Wizard), but CustServ replies are worth less than the electrons they're printed on.
And the literal readings are often troublesome.
Read literally, a Pathfinder Necromancer's Power Over Undead ability doesn't work, since it gives the Necromancer the Command Undead feat, which specifically limits undead commanded to your *Cleric level,* which, as a specialist Wizard, you don't have. Obviously, it was intended for the Necromancer to count as a Cleric for that one specific purpose, but that's not explicitly stated, and there are plenty of people out there who fall over with their legs in the air if the rules don't explicitly state that their character can use the restroom...
and there are plenty of people out there who fall over with their legs in the air if the rules don't explicitly state that their character can use the restroom...
Hilarious!!
I consider the 2 free spells to be an integral part of wizard spellcasting. Thus, when you gain an effective level from a PrC, you get the extra spell.
Otherwise, you might get in trouble if you advance a level in the middle of a dungeon or somewhere else that is far away from the nearest wizard scroll.
That's one thing I hated about earlier editions, and some games that made a crappy job of implementing the rules (i.e. IWD2): If you play a wizard, chances are that you might go long times without getting to use your new abilities, because you won't find any spells.
The rules are vague. I too saw a custserv reply that wizards in a PrC did get the two spells per level.
In the end it's going to be the DM's choice, though I don't think I've ever heard of a DM that didn't allow the 2 spells/level.
I consider the 2 free spells to be an integral part of wizard spellcasting. Thus, when you gain an effective level from a PrC, you get the extra spell.
Otherwise, you might get in trouble if you advance a level in the middle of a dungeon or somewhere else that is far away from the nearest wizard scroll.
That's one thing I hated about earlier editions, and some games that made a crappy job of implementing the rules (i.e. IWD2): If you play a wizard, chances are that you might go long times without getting to use your new abilities, because you won't find any spells.
The rules are very specific that you only get the two free spells when you take a level in Wizard. From the PRGRD-Magic section: Spells Gained at a New Level: perform a certain amount of spell research between adventures. Each time a character attains a , he gains two spells of his choice to add to his spellbook.
If you are taking a level in a PrC, such as Arcane Trickster, you are spending the time that you would be researching the new "free" spells learning the other abilities of the PrC so you don't get the "free" spells. Part of the price you pay.
Remember that you can write spells into your Spell book from scrolls and other caster's spell books before you reach the level required to cast them. The difficulty is a bit higher though. If you are going to be taking a level in a PrC that grants a caster level you could prepare ahead either copy the spells or buy scrolls of the spells that you will want to take. You would need to buy the spells anyway whether you took your level in a major city or a dungeon.
So it seems the consensus is that there is no consensus and that other than a WotC customer service memo (which I do think has some weight).
I'm not a slave to RAW, I was just curious how other people felt.
It also makes sorcerers a little less unappealing for prestige classes.
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Had a funny question about some wording in the Wizard section:
Does the 2 new spells per level mean:
2 new spells per level per available spell level?
Or 2 new spells per level, altogether?The PRGFD says "At each new wizard level, he gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new wizard level) for his spellbook."
Seems pretty clear to me.
I agree, but it brings up a related question I have.
Does a wizard in a PrC would get spells added to their spellbook when they gain levels in their prestige class?
A literal reading "At each new wizard level..." seems to indicate not. Additionally, the prestige class rules explicitly call out sorcerers gain additional spells known for sorcerer but doesn't mention wizards add new spells to their spellbooks.
According to the rules should the wizard/ PrC add new spells to their book on leveling? How do you run your games?
considering how dirt cheap it is to add spells to spellbooks now I don't really think it matters either way.
The rules are vague. I too saw a custserv reply that wizards in a PrC did get the two spells per level.
In the end it's going to be the DM's choice, though I don't think I've ever heard of a DM that didn't allow the 2 spells/level.
As I recall the question was put up in the old 3.x days Sage Advice replied that your spellcasting advances so you get spells known normally as per the base class would advance. the No other features refers to things specifically like familliar ability (although familliar HD and hit points continue to improve as normal) advancement, bonus feats, special qualities not relating to the basic spellcasting advancement.
Otherwise with your call, sorcerers would never get another spell AT ALL if they took a prestige class.
Which is why it specifies ....spells known (if she is a spontaneous spellcaster).....
Pathfinder is very specific in this particular rule and if they had intened for Wizards to the the two free spells it would say. "....spells known(if she is a spontaneous spellcaster or two free spells if a wizard)...."
if they had intened for Wizards to the the two free spells it would say. "....spells known(if she is a spontaneous spellcaster or two free spells if a wizard)...."
Incorrect. Spells Known is a spontaneous-only mechanic. Saying "Spells known (if a spontaneous caster)" is no different from 3.5's "spells known (if applicable)".
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Incorrect. Spells Known is a spontaneous-only mechanic. Saying "Spells known (if a spontaneous caster)" is no different from 3.5's "spells known (if applicable)".
Actually in 3.5 Spells Known was for both (and explicitly called out what it means for a Wizard in the 3.5 PHB Glossary.)
I'm not sure if 3.p spells it out this way in the condensed glossary or elsewhere, but I doubt there has been a change in the way of thinking on this fundamental question.
PrC +1 spellcasting grant any ability included in the Class's Spells section.