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Has there been any word of an official compendium of Prestige Classes to be published specifically for Pathfinder? I know there are already plenty from all the D&D publications and other d20 modules, but after getting the Core Rulebook and the Bestiary, I'd definitely like to see some done with this kind of organization and artwork.
Has there been any word of an official compendium of Prestige Classes to be published specifically for Pathfinder? I know there are already plenty from all the D&D publications and other d20 modules, but after getting the Core Rulebook and the Bestiary, I'd definitely like to see some done with this kind of organization and artwork.
I havn't heard of anything yet, but I fully agree with you. The standard prestige classes are all pretty "meh". Some classes have a lot of prestige classes to choose from (rogues!), others have one or none.
Need prestige!
I think a lot of the focus for PF has been to keep with your Core class for 20 levels. That may be why they have not gone into creating a lot of PrCs. I think they did so much work on the Wizard/Sorcerer classes that it would take a whole remodeling of the PrCs to make them worth even a second glance compared to staying in the core class for 20.
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That said, I have always loved PrCs for the reason that they provide near endless customization and variety for characters. I'd love to see more in the future.
EDIT:: Took out some stuff better suited to a home brew thread.
Book of the Damned Volume I (Princes of Darkness) has the Diabolist, and there's three PrCs in Seekers of Secrets: Pathfinder Delver, Pathfinder Savant and Student of War.
Also, Pathfinder #26 has the Inheritor's Crusader.
I'd *love* to see a Bardic prestige class that transformed them into full casters. I don't like the rebuilding of spellcasting like the Sublime Chord, mostly because it was quickly broken by using it in other builds.
I'd *love* to see a Bardic prestige class that transformed them into full casters. I don't like the rebuilding of spellcasting like the Sublime Chord, mostly because it was quickly broken by using it in other builds.How would you implement this elegantly, then?
I don't think he could.
And I do hope that some more Prestiges come out, but I wish with all my might that it's AT MOST 1/5 of the ones that exist from 3.x. Please Paizo, don't make too much of them...
I'd *love* to see a Bardic prestige class that transformed them into full casters. I don't like the rebuilding of spellcasting like the Sublime Chord, mostly because it was quickly broken by using it in other builds.How would you implement this elegantly, then?
Well, I'm happy you would ask. The main idea of the prestige class would be to transform the bardic spellcasting, as it exists now, into something that can compete with the most similar class available: the sorcerer.
Over the course of 10 levels I would add 2-5 spells per day for each spell level (more for the lower levels), grant all spells a +3 DC (to match 9th level spells), and add about 2 more spells known at each level, perhaps granting cleric or wizard spell access for these.
That's a rough idea, but it builds on what we started with without confusing mechanics or an easily exploitable system.
I'd *love* to see a Bardic prestige class that transformed them into full casters. I don't like the rebuilding of spellcasting like the Sublime Chord, mostly because it was quickly broken by using it in other builds.How would you implement this elegantly, then?Well, I'm happy you would ask. The main idea of the prestige class would be to transform the bardic spellcasting, as it exists now, into something that can compete with the most similar class available: the sorcerer.
Over the course of 10 levels I would add 2-5 spells per day for each spell level (more for the lower levels), grant all spells a +3 DC (to match 9th level spells), and add about 2 more spells known at each level, perhaps granting cleric or wizard spell access for these.
That's a rough idea, but it builds on what we started with without confusing mechanics or an easily exploitable system.
Now, I see that as broken. The Bard already has better HP, BAB, and the Bardic Music. Adding more spells per day would overpower her in respect to the other character classes.
The Bard isn't supposed to be a full spellcaster.
And I don;t want to see too many more Prestige classes. I feel that PrC should ONLY be used for a minor (3-4 level) Campaign hook or to do something completely undoable by dual classing. Just adding a PrC that maximizes one kind of character build is one of the reasons I stopped playing 3.5.
I say the fewer PrC the better.
I my campaign, I've told my players that I'm reserving judgement on allowing any of them until I get a chance to review them again.
I'd *love* to see a Bardic prestige class that transformed them into full casters. I don't like the rebuilding of spellcasting like the Sublime Chord, mostly because it was quickly broken by using it in other builds.How would you implement this elegantly, then?Well, I'm happy you would ask. The main idea of the prestige class would be to transform the bardic spellcasting, as it exists now, into something that can compete with the most similar class available: the sorcerer.
Over the course of 10 levels I would add 2-5 spells per day for each spell level (more for the lower levels), grant all spells a +3 DC (to match 9th level spells), and add about 2 more spells known at each level, perhaps granting cleric or wizard spell access for these.
That's a rough idea, but it builds on what we started with without confusing mechanics or an easily exploitable system.
Now, I see that as broken. The Bard already has better HP, BAB, and the Bardic Music. Adding more spells per day would overpower her in respect to the other character classes.
The Bard isn't supposed to be a full spellcaster.
And I don;t want to see too many more Prestige classes. I feel that PrC should ONLY be used for a minor (3-4 level) Campaign hook or to do something completely undoable by dual classing. Just adding a PrC that maximizes one kind of character build is one of the reasons I stopped playing 3.5.
I say the fewer PrC the better.
I my campaign, I've told my players that I'm reserving judgement on allowing any of them until I get a chance to review them again.
Amen Brother. ;)
I like options myself. So I say the more PrCs the better, as long as they aren't broken
Now, I see that as broken. The Bard already has better HP, BAB, and the Bardic Music. Adding more spells per day would overpower her in respect to the other character classes.
Even if the Prestige Class in question had poor BAB, only one good save, and sacrificed bardic performances, bardic knowledge, lore master, etc?
The Bard isn't supposed to be a full spellcaster.
I guess it's a good thing that the suggestion wasn't to make them a full spellcaster, then, isn't it? The bard would still gain new levels of spells slower than the full spellcasters and wouldn't get access to any of the really powerful spells. It would just be able to actually make effective use of the spells it does have.
Now, I see that as broken. The Bard already has better HP, BAB, and the Bardic Music. Adding more spells per day would overpower her in respect to the other character classes.Even if the Prestige Class in question had poor BAB, only one good save, and sacrificed bardic performances, bardic knowledge, lore master, etc?
The Bard isn't supposed to be a full spellcaster.I guess it's a good thing that the suggestion wasn't to make them a full spellcaster, then, isn't it? The bard would still gain new levels of spells slower than the full spellcasters and wouldn't get access to any of the really powerful spells. It would just be able to actually make effective use of the spells it does have.
1) No, if the Prestige Class in question had poor BAB, only one good save, and sacrificed bardic performances, bardic knowledge, lore master, then its not really a Bard PrC. If you want that, become a dual classed Bard/Wizard.
I'm going to say it clearlt. WE DON'T NEED PRESTIGE CLASSES THAT DUPLICATE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH OTHER CLASSES!
The point isn't to munchkinize the game with PrC. PrC should be for some sort of role playing hook, not to add more power to the caracter, which is all your bard options seem to do.
Adding more spells per day makes it more equivalent to a full spellcaster and nerfs the character balance.
2) Who says the bard isn't effective?
The idea is to make a bard with casting abilities closer to full casters in potency if not versatility, and sacrifices durability, melee ability, and some measure of bardy class abilities to do so. Basically, a bard who specializes in bardy spellcasting at the cost of other bardy stuff.
Basically, the sublime chord.
Or perhaps the prestige bard from UA?
As long as this book would he heavily playtested and none of the PRCs do the basic job of one of the Cores as well as or better than the Cores, I'd be fine with it. Otherwise, toilet flush.
1) No, if the Prestige Class in question had poor BAB, only one good save, and sacrificed bardic performances, bardic knowledge, lore master, then its not really a Bard PrC. If you want that, become a dual classed Bard/Wizard.
I'm going to say it clearlt. WE DON'T NEED PRESTIGE CLASSES THAT DUPLICATE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH OTHER CLASSES!
Except that you can't do that with base classes. If you multiclass into a new casting class, you start from scratch at caster level 1.
The idea is to make a bard with casting abilities closer to full casters in potency if not versatility, and sacrifices durability, melee ability, and some measure of bardy class abilities to do so. Basically, a bard who specializes in bardy spellcasting at the cost of other bardy stuff.
Basically, the sublime chord.
Wow, I'm glad some of y'all agree with me. The Bard spell list has a lot of unique spells that aren't simulated by the wizard OR cleric spell list. My idea was to simply give them a competitive DC, staying power (more spells, ala sorcerer), and a bit more versatility in what they can cast. Yes, they can cast in light armor and have some bardic music abilities to fall back on, but they're still lagging in spell levels and never achieve the truly amazing things that a druid/sorcerer/cleric/wizard can accomplish.
Basically, change the bard from a partial caster to a full caster at the sacrifice of her BAB, hit die, bardic music abilities, and bardic knowledge. The spell list is unique enough to warrant progression instead of simply choosing another class.