Awesome Blow

[Christopher Van Horn]

Some of the creatures in the Bestiary have this feat without meeting the prerequisite strength score. Are they statted wrong and the feat should be replaced or are the prerequisites lower than the feat proclaims? i.e. the remorhaz only has a strength of 22 but has awesome blow which requires a strength of 25 to use.

[azhrei_fje]

Creatures are often given bonus racial feats and are not required to meet the prereqs for a feat that a player race would have to meet.

[James Risner]

azhrei_fje wrote:

Creatures are often given bonus racial feats and are not required to meet the prereqs for a feat that a player race would have to meet.

+1

Same for Monk's, they get some feats without needing to meet prereqs.

[James Jacobs]

Christopher Van Horn wrote:

Some of the creatures in the Bestiary have this feat without meeting the prerequisite strength score. Are they statted wrong and the feat should be replaced or are the prerequisites lower than the feat proclaims? i.e. the remorhaz only has a strength of 22 but has awesome blow which requires a strength of 25 to use.

Technically that's an error, something we'll have to cover in the errata I guess. I'd like to fix it by lowering the prereq Strength for the feat down to 21 or something like that.

[cibet44]

James Jacobs wrote:

Christopher Van Horn wrote:

Some of the creatures in the Bestiary have this feat without meeting the prerequisite strength score. Are they statted wrong and the feat should be replaced or are the prerequisites lower than the feat proclaims? i.e. the remorhaz only has a strength of 22 but has awesome blow which requires a strength of 25 to use.

Technically that's an error, something we'll have to cover in the errata I guess. I'd like to fix it by lowering the prereq Strength for the feat down to 21 or something like that.

This existed in 3.5 as well. I changed the Awesome Blow feat to not have a Str prerequisite at all. However in order for the defender to be effected it must have a Strength LESS then the Strength of the attacker. So a creature with Str 22 can Awesome Blow targets with a Str of 21 or less.

[Christopher Van Horn]

James Jacobs wrote:

Technically that's an error, something we'll have to cover in the errata I guess. I'd like to fix it by lowering the prereq Strength for the feat down to 21 or something like that.

Thank you for the response, I was wondering which kind of mistake it was because it matters for certain animal companions and such.

[Kyle Baird]

Hmm... I came into this thread expecting something else. ;)

[Dave the Barbarian]

So if a giant has the awesome blow ability, does this mean that with his giant club he:

A: Makes a CMB roll vs. the opponents CMD, if successful you just knock him 10' with the club - no damage? or...

B: Attempts to hit with club, if a successful hit is made, roll damage for the hit, then roll the CMB vs. CMD to see if he moves 10'.

Or something different than that?

I will check the errata too. Thanks!

[Loopy]

Heh heh heh heh. Awesome blow.

[Father Dale]

He he uh he hehehe. You said "Awesome."

[Dave the Barbarian]

I should have guessed that getting an answer for this subject would be difficult. Why didn't they call it "Awesome strike" or something. :)

[knightofstyx]

Dave the Barbarian wrote:

So if a giant has the awesome blow ability, does this mean that with his giant club he:

A: Makes a CMB roll vs. the opponents CMD, if successful you just knock him 10' with the club - no damage? or...

B: Attempts to hit with club, if a successful hit is made, roll damage for the hit, then roll the CMB vs. CMD to see if he moves 10'.

Or something different than that?

I will check the errata too. Thanks!

RAW states choice A is correct; however, I would probably rule that the attacker deals half damage or something like that.

[Dave the Barbarian]

That doesn't seem very awesome. I would have guessed that you would have had to hit with an attack and then try the knock back feature with a CMB vs. CMD. I think that may be the way that I run it anyway.

[Purple Dragon Knight]

I think James already said it will be errated to something like "standard action to smack for damage and chance to fly forth" at some point, in another thread...

It's the batting cage feat... giant sacrifices his full attack / multiple attack routine for a homerun... :)

I think there should be a "Sweeping Blow" feat as well (i.e. prereq Awesome Blow, giant makes one attack roll vs. all opponents within reach; on those he hits he gets to make an Awesome Blow... kinda sweep through the crowd War Hulk type of feat...)

[Dave the Barbarian]

That sounds much better. I would have assumed the same, no multiple attacks if you are using this feat. That is the way I will use it if I ever get the chance.

[Lael Treventhius]

Actually been thinking about this feat. Would the creature gain a bonus from Improved Bullrush when performing this manuever? It is after all a prerequisite.

[Vardeman]

If it HAS the Improved Bullrush feat, I'd say "yes". If it has the feat without actually having the prerequisite feat (as some monsters do), I'd say "no".

This is just one man's opinion.

[Java Man]

One man's opinion a dozen years late....