I recently received my copy of the Pathfinder RPG and have been reading through it. First I would like to say that I thoroughly enjoy it and am glad that I don't have to file away all my 3.x materials like I have with my AD&D stuff. Anyways, on to my question.
In the feats section, all the "Extra XX" feats allow for multiple purchases, save for the "Extra Channel" feat. Was this intended, or was the "may be purchased multiple times" accidentally left out? I have read the errata, it doesn't mention it, and I have looked throughout the board trying to find it.
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That is interesting. It is likely intentional, as I can see a character taking it over and over and just being rediculous. However, I can see maybe a houserule or something that may limit it to being taken 1/5levels or something.I really fail to see how it could be rediculous to take that feat multiple times. The cleric (or Paly) is giving up combat effectiveness to do so.
Really, 9 times out of 10 I'd rather contribute more to taking the enemy out before he gets another turn than popping off party healing mid-fight.
Divine Metamagic.
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Extra turning in 3.5 was 4 extra turns per feat, this actually reduces the potential problem.Divine Metamagic.That is interesting. It is likely intentional, as I can see a character taking it over and over and just being rediculous. However, I can see maybe a houserule or something that may limit it to being taken 1/5levels or something.I really fail to see how it could be rediculous to take that feat multiple times. The cleric (or Paly) is giving up combat effectiveness to do so.
Really, 9 times out of 10 I'd rather contribute more to taking the enemy out before he gets another turn than popping off party healing mid-fight.
Nightsticks, phylactery of the saint(?), various other things as well...
Heck even a belt of charisma.
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Extra turning in 3.5 was 4 extra turns per feat, this actually reduces the potential problem.Divine Metamagic.That is interesting. It is likely intentional, as I can see a character taking it over and over and just being rediculous. However, I can see maybe a houserule or something that may limit it to being taken 1/5levels or something.I really fail to see how it could be rediculous to take that feat multiple times. The cleric (or Paly) is giving up combat effectiveness to do so.
Really, 9 times out of 10 I'd rather contribute more to taking the enemy out before he gets another turn than popping off party healing mid-fight.
Nightsticks, phylactery of the saint(?), various other things as well...
Heck even a belt of charisma.
Belt of charisma isn't cheesy by anybody's deffinition lol. As for Nightsticks, most GM's won't let them count for Divine Metamagic anyway, and the ones that do only let one count for it.
I'm not familiar with that phylactery item, is it the one from the Magic Item compendium that can give you up to 3 free turns if you fulfill certain prerequisites?
Thats the one.
Phylactery of Positive Channeling. p526 PFRPG
Adds an additional 2d6 of healing (or undead damage) per use of channeling.
I personally think the ommision was accidental. I never got an official response back on that one so I don't know for sure although, I totally forget which thread I asked it in so maybe I did. It's very well possible that the new special text included for the Paladin unintentionally overwrote the standard "you can take this feat multiple times...". Couldn't tell you for sure. I don't see it really being a problem taking it multiple times but maybe there's something that I'm not thinking of.
Divine Metamagic.
That problem is with Divine Metamagic (actually, with Nightsticks), not with having extra uses of channel. I would bet everything I own that Divine Metamagic isn't the reason that Extra Channel doesn't have the "can take this feat multiple times" text.
What I mean is a near infinite amount of party healing
What, you mean like a couple wands of cure light wounds? Those have been standard issue for so many editions that they've got half a dozen nicknames around here.
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Sort of, but channel energy would be worse. It doesn't cost money, heals the whole party at once, and later heals for more.
Think about if your character just had Leadership with a minion Cleric that just took Extra Channeling and healed everyone to full after every encounter. Now what if two or all the characters did this. As a DM, you'd have to really up the encounters to really challenge them, which means they get even more xp and gold for choosing to do this. Sure, the DM could just say no, but that's a pretty cheap cop out. Better just to have the rules say no.
Ah yes, and then you could just have the cohort clerics take leadership! It's turtles all the way down!
You're forgetting that cohorts are NPCs. The DM builds and controls them. Most DMs I've met that allow Leadership also allow the players to at least build the cohorts, but that's house rules, not RAW.
Also, two wands of cure light wounds will last you a long time. I'd much, much, MUCH rather spend a measly 1,500 gold (especially since you can usually justify them as party expenses and spread the monetary cost over the entire party) than 1/10 my feats.
What I mean is a near infinite amount of party healing or less a problem Evil Clerics just negative bombing everything with 20 or 30 channels a day.
It comes at great expense to your character. If you focus all on channeling then you are giving up being very effective anywhere else. If you want to be a heal battery or atomic bomb, I doubt it's overpowering. I'm currently playing the atomic bomb and don't foresee it getting out of hand. You're channel can be completely negated if you don't spend a lot of your other feats to include more types of enemies. By the time you got up to 20 or 30 channels in a day, it probably wouldn't make a difference considering what other spell casters are going to have by then. Of course, I could be wrong.