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Combat Reflexes then Improved Feint + lots of points in Bluff. You can feint as a move action then sneak attack in their face. Allows you to sneak attack A LOT in all kinds of circumstances.
If you're using traits, there's a trait that (Defensive something) allows you to reduce Combat Expertise penalty by 1, so it's basically a free +1 to Ac until you hit BAB +4.
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Im playing a rouge/fighter in Pathfinder only level six, our DM is quite evil, lol. Ideas for a sneaky, combat rouge?
Thanks in advance!
Well...
First, do you have a personality in mind for this character? I know I'd build a combat-dancing-swashbuckler (jedi) different than a in-the-thick-of-things-tank (wookie). I'd build both different than a finger-twitch-gunfighter (Han Solo). All of them have their place in combat.
Second, what are the character creation rules your DM has you using?
Third, what books are allowed to you?
Fourth, do you have any prestige classes that seem to describe the character you are trying to build? Can you compare and contrast what you are wanting with a couple of them?
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Invest in Balls of Twine, Hammer and Nails, Glue, Tanglefoot Bags, and small wax paper packets of red paint (fake blood)
In Combat get off a good sneak attack, and then make a Bluff roll to pop a paint packet when you get hit, and limp away behind something. What the victim shouldn't see is the tripwire attached to a tanglefoot bag you set up when he chases you. Either he's prone or tangled up, and in either case a much better target because you stealthed as part of your move action behind the something you limped behind.
If you are low on resources and have extraneous party members, consider replacing the tripwire with a monk and/or barbarian.
Carry things like paint and bags of flour to flash in someone's face or to highlight invisible people. Also remember that four dust is explosive, so a few thrown bags of flour can make an enemy spellcaster very surprised and injured.
Use Slight of Hand before combat to add Caltops and Vials of Strong acid to enemy spell component pouches, or steal them altogether.
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Invest in Balls of Twine, Hammer and Nails, Glue, Tanglefoot Bags, and small wax paper packets of red paint (fake blood)
In Combat get off a good sneak attack, and then make a Bluff roll to pop a paint packet when you get hit, and limp away behind something. What the victim shouldn't see is the tripwire attached to a tanglefoot bag you set up when he chases you. Either he's prone or tangled up, and in either case a much better target because you stealthed as part of your move action behind the something you limped behind.
If you are low on resources and have extraneous party members, consider replacing the tripwire with a monk and/or barbarian.
Carry things like paint and bags of flour to flash in someone's face or to highlight invisible people. Also remember that four dust is explosive, so a few thrown bags of flour can make an enemy spellcaster very surprised and injured.
Use Slight of Hand before combat to add Caltops and Vials of Strong acid to enemy spell component pouches, or steal them altogether.
You sire remind me of how a party of level 20 wizards was defeated by a party of level 5 characters.
The Rogue stole their component pouches. The fighter and paladin stepped up to lay down some hurt, and suddenly, those level 20 characters that teach the laws of physics to sit down and shut up, weren't so tough.
Gav?
This is Dan if so mate...YOUVE BEEN FOUND OUT..
All characters have been converted to Pathfinder and Ive been quite generous really....EVIL? ME? EVIL?
I give the players a challenge, but its always fair ;)
Basically I rebuilt them level by level and in terms of skills ive took new value of ranks as per class choice and stats, gone through skills and matched where possible up to equal or max ranks (as to what they have before) and then gave back skill points spare (due to max ranks being lower etc) - see im that nice.
Obviously you now got the rogue talents etc. Make sure your happy with your new choices, it was the first night in the new system so I wont be overly worried if you want to talk about slight changes to make you happy in the long term ;)
All 3.5 books are fine mate, if theres something in V3 that you like, its easy enough to balance them so dont worry.
Dan.
Forgotten Realms is always a harsh mistress, but the rewards mate, the rewards match the risk :)
Drac.
Lol, I knew you would see this lol.
thats funny!
No cool buddy, you have been very good to us lol, just though I'd give people some extra reason to offer help, lol.
Some interesting tips though!
I like the flour and bags of blood trick.
Can I still use the acrobatic backstab skill trick?
An your ace DM lol, grovel, grovel lol.
see you monday buddy.
lol will do, I am sure between us we have all the books you need with the tricks in so we can have a look monday. Im definitely not against using anything from 3.5 books mate in any way so nothing is off the table.
A lot of what you get in Pathfinder depends on what you want.
Im also running a Fighter/Rogue, who is about 5th Level. But my character started out as a Half Elf front-line Fighter, and acquired a Rogue level as a result of having had to sneak around a lot during a particular adventure.
Now I have the highest Stealth check in the party; its a +14 unarmored, or a +9 even when wearing my masterwork Field Plate. I have an armored Climb check of +4, and a +12 Perception check. The climb check isnt stellar, but its sufficient for going up and down embankments and other outdoor terrain, which is mostly what I wind up doing.
Basically, my character is now a kind of "Commando". I take point, I sneak quietly into unknown territory, listening for other people or Humanoids, while being -very- difficult to detect, myself. If I run into trouble, Ive got the attack and defense capability to get myself back to where my friends can back me up. I only have a 16 Strength, but I also have a 16 Dexterity. This makes me not as hard a hitter as I could be had I maximized my Str, but my Armor Class is outrageous, and I am extremely versatile. (My stats are Str 16, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 15)
Im guessing that this is -totally- unlike what you were shooting for. But I mention it simply as a demonstration that, in Pathfinder, many things are possible, even within the context of a particular Class combination. It all depends on what you want to do! :)
Wanna rock it as a rogue/fighter?
One Method (Remember rogue talents can be used for feats.
Go rogue1/fighter1, rogue2/fighter2 etc.
You'll get as many feats as a straight fighter. Wpn and Armour Training x2, Sneak Attk 5d6 (+2d6 more with assasin's stance TOB)
Play as half elf and use both classes as Favored for HPeg. Take most of these feats not neccessarily in this order:
Skill Fcs (Bluff)- Half-elf
Vexing Flanker,
Combat Ref,
Power Attack
Cleave
TWF,
Wpn Fcs: Shortsword
Double Slice
Deft Oppurtunist
Combat Exp
Improved Feint
Wpn Spl: Shortsword
Improved Crit,
Improved TWF
Martial Study: Shadow Jaunt
Gtr Wpn Fcs: Shortsword
Martial Stance: Assassin's Stance
Oppurtunist Talent
Rolibar's GambitThere's room for 1 or 2 more.
Basically you'll be stealthy as (put all ranks in perception and stealth, bluff)
With +17 BAB, av 6 skill pts per lvl, 7d6 sneak.
Just spam Improved Feint when solo and flank when partnered up.
And either Flank with Full attack if able or move and cleave if mobile.
Shadow Jaunt is cool for stalking.Cheers.
Considering a rogue can only use one talent for a feat (the book states you can only take each feat once), how do you get as many feats a single classes fighter?
well if I recall correctly it might be possible to take a combat feat, weapon finesse and combat reflexes as different talents, but it might have changed since beta... still, basically it is true, you can take each talent only once
Just checked. Saw that taking combat feats is the 'combat trick' talent.
Ah well, I'm DM'ing and it's not unbalancing so I'll allow it.*Sigh.....*
At least in the Beta, there was a Weapon Focus talent, a Weapon Finesse talent, and a Combat Feat talent....that's 3 bonus fighter-type feats right there! And there is an Advanced Talent that let's you pick ANY feat at 10th level or beyond, so for the first 10 levels or so, you ALMOST get as many bonus feats as a fighter....and some of those other talents are pretty nifty (and feat-worthy) too!