The prone condition does not list any limitations on movement other than that standing up from prone is a move action that provokes an attack of opportunity. So...
1) Is movement while prone considered crawling?
2) What movement is required to move from prone to sitting/kneeling (roughly half the penalties of prone)?
3) Does a prone person get a 5-foot step (if 1 is no, then why not)?
Pg. 568
Prone: The character is lying on the ground. A prone
attacker has a –4 penalty on melee attack rolls and cannot
use a ranged weapon (except for a crossbow). A prone
defender gains a +4 bonus to Armor Class against ranged
attacks, but takes a –4 penalty to AC against melee attacks.
Standing up is a move-equivalent action that provokes
an attack of opportunity.
Pg. 186
Crawling: You can crawl 5 feet as a move action.
Crawling incurs attacks of opportunity from any attackers
who threaten you at any point of your crawl. A crawling
character is considered prone and must take a move action
to stand up, provoking an attack of opportunity.
I'd say that movement while prone is crawling. The rules don't explicitly say this, but this is a case where the dictionary does - it's what crawling means.
You might want to read your dictionary on "prone" and "crawl". Prone generally indicates being flat on your stomach or back, while crawling generally indicates being on hands and knees. That being said, it seems like maybe the Crawling rules are intended to provide movement while prone - its just very odd that the Prone condition does not refer to this.
I'd say that movement while prone is crawling. The rules don't explicitly say this, but this is a case where the dictionary does - it's what crawling means.You might want to read your dictionary on "prone" and "crawl". Prone generally indicates being flat on your stomach or back, while crawling generally indicates being on hands and knees. That being said, it seems like maybe the Crawling rules are intended to provide movement while prone - its just very odd that the Prone condition does not refer to this.
So all those soldiers who are moving via hands and knees on their stomach aren't actually crawling under those wire fences?
I would say that rolling from back to stomach or crawl position is normally a swift action, especially if you see a giant foot coming for your head.
3) Does a prone person get a 5-foot step (if 1 is no, then why not)?
Look at the Rogue Talent (PFRPG pg 68)
Rogue Crawl (Ex): While prone, a rogue with this ability can move at half speed. This movement provokes attacks of opportunity as normal. A rogue with this talent can take a 5-foot step while crawling.
This implies that a rogue without this talent (and therefor most other characters as well) cannot take a 5-foot step while crawling.
Also, I would stipulate that you can move on your feet and hands while face up. This is called crab-walking, but is essentially the same thing, and is a natural reaction.
Yes, ?, No.
1) Is movement while prone considered crawling?
Yes (see the text you quoted)2) What movement is required to move from prone to sitting/kneeling (roughly half the penalties of prone)?
That is a decent question - Personally I allow free stand from kneel, so I'd call it a move action, but that's not any official rule.3) Does a prone person get a 5-foot step (if 1 is no, then why not)?
No, they get 5' crawl for a move action. Just like you can't 5' step in difficult terrain.Pg. 186
Crawling: A crawling character is considered prone and must take a move action to stand up, provoking an attack of opportunity.
Yes, ?, No.
1) Is movement while prone considered crawling?
Yes (see the text you quoted)2) What movement is required to move from prone to sitting/kneeling (roughly half the penalties of prone)?
That is a decent question - Personally I allow free stand from kneel, so I'd call it a move action, but that's not any official rule.3) Does a prone person get a 5-foot step (if 1 is no, then why not)?
No, they get 5' crawl for a move action. Just like you can't 5' step in difficult terrain.Pg. 186
Crawling: A crawling character is considered prone and must take a move action to stand up, provoking an attack of opportunity.
Thanks - those seem to be reasonable answers. What I was trying to avoid was the Crawling = Prone, therefore Prone = Crawling false assumption (all grass is green, all green things are NOT grass). However, in the absence of another rule or corollary, I'll assume this is correct.
We have adjudicated moving from Prone > Sitting/Kneeling is a 5-foot step equivalent at the moment and will see how it plays out since we have a trip-crazy monk.
...Thanks - those seem to be reasonable answers. What I was trying to avoid was the Crawling = Prone, therefore Prone = Crawling false assumption (all grass is green, all green things are NOT grass). However, in the absence of another rule or corollary, I'll assume this is correct.
The rules should not rely on extrapolating from a Rogue Talent to know that you cannot "5' Step" and cannot take any other Movement besides Crawling. Crawling should be explicitly referenced as the only movement allowed while Prone and (non-provoking) 5' Steps should likewise be ruled out (bar the Rogue Talent). The observation that Crawling=Prone does not necessarily mean Prone=Crawling is very true. Simple update to fix this.
Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.
while prone, or crawling, you have a move speed of 5 feet, therefor you cannot take a 5 foot step.
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Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.while prone, or crawling, you have a move speed of 5 feet, therefore you cannot take a 5 foot step.
WOOT way to tell those people from 8 years ago!