So does anyone else think Rush knew what was going to happen?Actually, no I don't think he did. If he did, he'd not have let their only medic go.
Being frequently in the 'good enough to be a friend, not good enough to be more' catagory, I felt for Eli.
Yeah, he's like a living Taylor Swift song.
I think Rush may have had a hunch about it, similar to his comments when Destiny dropped out of FTL and only allowed access to one gate address for them to get what the needed for the air scrubbers. Since the idea wasn't well received then, he may have decided to keep it to himself this time in case he was wrong.
Of course, he may have just said it because he's trying to keep everyone at arm's length (probably the result of whatever calamity happened in his past regarding that woman in the picture with him from the pilot episode).
Just my humble 2cp.... :)
Yeah, he's like a living Taylor Swift song.So does anyone else think Rush knew what was going to happen?Actually, no I don't think he did. If he did, he'd not have let their only medic go.
Being frequently in the 'good enough to be a friend, not good enough to be more' catagory, I felt for Eli.
Poor Eli is traped in the "friend zone" and the stupid girl is falling for a player.
So does anyone else think Rush knew what was going to happen?
My wife and I have been discussing this since the show aired. To me, the question would be, "what does Rush get out of it?" This seems to be how Rush defines the majority of his actions. So you have two options:
1. Rush knows -- what does he get out of it, by not saying anything ahead of time? The chance to see how everyone else responds. The lottery, the power dynamics in play, and so on. Purpose? In my opinion, he gets to see who might be able to challenge him for top dog position if something like this really happens.
2. Rush doesn't know -- what does he get out of it, by making everyone think he knew? An air of mystery, the chance to be seen as a puppetmaster, resentment of the crew, fear of what he may do with his knowledge next, and so on. Purpose? A possible increase in his perceived power over the greater situation, but in the end, who knows? It's Rush. The way he's being written, he wantsto be an enigma.
My 2cp and change --
Poor Eli is traped in the "friend zone" and the stupid girl is falling for a player.
Leaving poor Eli as Rebound Boy somewhere along the line. Whether that would be good or bad remains to be seen.
Did Rush know? My guess, no. But I think he had faith it was going to happen. I don't think he was as surprised as he played it up.
Also did anyone else catch him, when being told who was definitely going before the lottery, that Sergeant Greer should go as well. He no likey Greer.
Was there anyone else who was frustrated/confused about the fact that when they went to implement the lottery in the last episode, no thought was given to the idea of genetic diversity? With the crew they are likely to have (granted, I haven't seen a crew manifest at this point), they will have far more males than females. Therefore, relying strictly on random chance, as the lottery seems to have done, you have a good chance of getting of getting something like 12 men and 3 women at the end.
If the idea is to preserve the species at that point in time, wouldn't an enforeced half-and-half solution been ideal? It would allow for the greatest number of possible 'pairings' later on, and the least chance of genetic mishaps further down the road. Though with that small a pool to begin with, maybe that kind of a thing is inevitable.
Sorry for the three straight posts; I just didn't want the topics getting confused.
Isn't he already Math Boy?Poor Eli is traped in the "friend zone" and the stupid girl is falling for a player.Leaving poor Eli as Rebound Boy somewhere along the line. Whether that would be good or bad remains to be seen.
I find it interesting that Eli's calculation of the shuttle's rebound trajectory (if I remember correctly) is one of the few things that I have seen Rush allow to go unchallenged in the first few episodes. Do you think Rush respects his knowledge, or was it Eli's surety at that moment that allowed this? I think Rush could have been swayed by either.
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Readerbreeder, I don't think they were trying to preserve the species at that point. (The species is doing just fine back in the Milky Way.) Wray is an annoying woman, but she was right when she told Col. Young that it was his job to pick the 17 most capable people for the shuttle team. That is, if the team had a mission. Young sent them off to live a little while longer, not to thrive.
No, Rush didn't know that the Destiny would survive. But in the last scene, when accused, I don't think he could have said anything that would have gotten Colonel Young to believe him, so he didn't even bother denying it.
We are seeing, I think, that Young is a good man, a likable man, a pretty well-qualified leader, and yet he's not "the right person" because Rush is not Young's kind of people, and Young can't see him for who he is.
I admired Crichton's "Andromeda Strain" because the scientists reacted to things like scientists, and likewise with the corporate people and the military. I think Stargate: Universe does the same thing, much better.
Oh, by the way, when I was looking through the 'net, trying to find SG:U information, I came across a number of sites from midway through the casting announcements that said something like:
Philips has been cast as Colonel Telford, a career military man and chosen leader of the band of lost humans in SGU. I’ve enjoyed Philips in some of his previous roles and I think he’ll add a nice bit of depth with Carlyle as they lead the rest of the cast down this perilous new journey.
So, at some point in the development process, it seemed that Telford might have asserted command away from Young.
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I read a few posts back (and now can't find it for a reply) a concern of how all these people made it through the SG program in the first place--wouldn't SG personnel, military and civilian, be, at the worst, astronaut program second string?
Being a career military man myself, trust me when I tell you there are no SEAL, Ranger, or SF cooks--there are simply cooks who randomly get assigned to an SF Group. As to civilians, the military is very happy to take the best and brightest civilian contractors and GS employees and bring along a couple Navy or Army shrinks to deal with their foibles and psychoses. From my point of view, and given the original set of circumstances in the pilot, the crew makeup is pretty believable.
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Some interesting ethical issues arise from this week's episode.
Put yourself in the shoes of one of the crew. It's your turn to Stone back and visit Earth.
What are the limits that should be emplaced on both parties? With schedules you could work around obvious problems of the crewman who can't wait to eat a hotdog and Stones into a vegetarian, or gender switches. What other rules might perforce be stipulated?
I, for one, would not approve of my body being used to make love to someone else's spouse. Nor am I keen on the idea of my consciousness riding another's body and then me riding--you get it, right?
I wonder how Tielford feels when he wakes up with Young's wife staring down at him? I'll say he's not too happy, cueing off his look of regret and consternation as he fiddled with his wedding band.
How does Young get around the idea of how (apparently) his wife got around the whole consciousness-transference concept easily enough to have sex with another man's body? (and she looked pretty into it, in my opinion)
Thoughts?
Thoughts
As for the morals of using someone else's body for sexual contact, if you don't have the permission it is a rape, just as much as if you had drugged someone and used their body without their consent. The lack of memory doesn't change that. Likewise, going and getting drunk in someone else's body is probaby also inappropriate.
Frankly if I was Young, I would not be switching back anymore. I would have a subordinate do so and report back, since each time he switches the person who takes over him tries to start commanding the ship. Of course that is why the whole wife thing is there to make sure he keeps coming back to earth.
"Eli, you're smart..."
"Don't say it"
"You're funny..."
"Don't say it"
"You're such a good friend"
"There, you said it"
I feel for Eli...
Does anyone else see a bit of hypocrisy in Chloe's anger over her best friend dating her ex? I mean, she's the one sleeping with Captain America on the Destiny. I realize her best friend may be the reason her ex is her ex, but still...
So who's more of a horse's rear end, Telford or Rush? Personally, I say Telford.
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Does anyone else see a bit of hypocrisy in Chloe's anger over her best friend dating her ex? I mean, she's the one sleeping with Captain America on the Destiny. I realize her best friend may be the reason her ex is her ex, but still...
Well she di only hook up with Captain America after she broke up with her ex.
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I have to agree with Pres Man. One thing I do like about the writing so far is how they're slowly revealing the main characters' history slowly.
That whatever psychomarine did to end up in the brig was apparently to Telford and Young didn't disapprove...
That said, Chloe's cute, but I really dislike her. Then again, I emphasize with Eli.
I'd think it more important though to figure out how to dial to Destiny though. Sending supplies, food, maybe a puddle jumper or a naquada reactor...
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After the events in "Earth", I am really getting to like Rush.
Telford's "plan" was thoroughly reckless. One concern that wasn't brought up: what if the Destiny doesn't decide to recharge after everybody expends her power on weapons? And why strand Eli --Math Boy-- on Earth during the delicate calculations?
You know, sending the crew's minds back to Earth for R&R is ridiculous. They have plenty of opportunities to relax on ship. They should be sending people back for training. Sit Eli's mind down with Carter or Jackson, and have McKay's mind port on board the Destiny and discuss things with Rush. (Now, be honest, isn't that a conversation you'd love to see?)
Rush is a jerk, but he has redeeming qualities.
I agree, they appear to be beginning to humanize him the way they did with Rodney McKay's character on SG: Atlantis. And Chris Mortika is right, that is a conversation I would pay to see... can you picture McKay and Rush arguing over who has the bigger brain?
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Rush is a jerk, but he has redeeming qualities.I agree, they appear to be beginning to humanize him the way they did with Rodney McKay's character on SG: Atlantis. And Chris Mortika is right, that is a conversation I would pay to see... can you picture McKay and Rush arguing over who has the bigger brain?
I think the biggest difference in their characters is that Rush would probably shiv McKay in the mess hall...
Thank you writers for giving a us great show full of character development that never happened, you might as well just not aired the the show for all the impact it would have on the crew.
Thank you writers for giving a us great show full of character development that never happened, you might as well just not aired the the show for all the impact it would have on the crew.? :-/
Because of the time twist the last show never happened.
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still I liked it. Not like the first time in stargate that has happened
was not the one I meant but. BEST. EPISODE. EVER.
was not the one I meant but. BEST. EPISODE. EVER.
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one other thing to ponder
I hope they explain how/why she's not locked in conflict with Adria like Oma is with Anubis, that is if it is Morgana. Just watched Ark of Truth over the weekend, I'd forgotten how much I like both the actress and the character.
Okay, I have watched the first ten minutes and Eli's WTF comment really sums up my feelings.
I don't know if it's just me, but I love the way they cut the end of that scene. I wasn't really crazy about the ending, though. I don't mind being left to fill in the blanks myself at the end, but as near as I can remember, the Stargate shows don't have a history of doing that. I was kind of thrown for a loop, expecting a "to be continued" or something.
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Okay, I have watched the first ten minutes and Eli's WTF comment really sums up my feelings.I don't know if it's just me, but I love the way they cut the end of that scene. I wasn't really crazy about the ending, though. I don't mind being left to fill in the blanks myself at the end, but as near as I can remember, the Stargate shows don't have a history of doing that. I was kind of thrown for a loop, expecting a "to be continued" or something.
I think that was the point of this show: it's different from previous StarGate shows. It's not going to wrap everything up at the end of the episode. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a sign that the franchise is growing up.
I think that was the point of this show: it's different from previous StarGate shows. It's not going to wrap everything up at the end of the episode. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a sign that the franchise is growing up.
I understand that, and I don't mind it; it just seems at times that the writers are trying to shove it all in our faces at once.
As long as we're on the subject of change, when did it become the common wisdom that dark and angsty = "mature" or "grown up"? I can deal with the change in the SG franchise (post-BSG, I don't know if they could truly have done anything else), I'm even enjoying most of it, but I'm seeing many different comments about how it's being done to show how the franchise is maturing, or something to that effect.
If darker and angst-ridden are the only criteria, shouldn't we all be begging for more of the Twilight franchise? (Not that there's anything wrong with Twilight, Bella and Co. fans -- it certainly has its place.) Anyhow, I'll get off of my soapbox now, before people start throwing rotten tomatoes.
emo = mature, yeah, I'm not buying that.
You ever notice how things that are labeled "for adults" or "mature", usually aren't.
ThoughtsSpoiler:I think the wife was already having an affair with Telford and thus why it wasn't so hard. I think that is what we are going to find out when he shows up at the door.
BINGO! The preview after the last episode hinted towards that scenario as well, IMO.
Sorry for a semi-late response on the topic, I just watched the first 8 episodes last night, so it's all kinda new to me.
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I understand that, and I don't mind it; it just seems at times that the writers are trying to shove it all in our faces at once.STUFF
(Not that there's anything wrong with Twilight, Bella and Co. fans -- it certainly has its place.) Anyhow, I'll get off of my soapbox now, before people start throwing rotten tomatoes.
I think the writers are overdoing it because they're trying to get enough viewers to stick around to justify a second season. They should calm down once its future is insured. And I didn't see this episode as emo. Emo is emotional content without any reason for it. This episode was about survival and what we go through when we think or know we're going to die.
And Twilight is crap. Horrid, foul smelling, putrid crap. Its very existence makes Robert Jordan look like a better writer. It must be stopped.
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And Twilight is crap. Horrid, foul smelling, putrid crap. Its very existence makes Robert Jordan look like a better writer. It must be stopped.
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I do think the dark angstyness of this episode does highlight a point. The only thing keeping the crew (well except for Rush) going is hope. Hope that they'll get home, that they'll not be forgotten.
That said, we need a funny episode. Not a 'crew all gets drunk' but a McKay/Rush episode, a 'they find Destiny's rec room' episode, that kind of thing. Something with a bit of light humour.
Though to me, a 'chloe dies again and again' episode is light. :-)
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Just watched the most recent episode ("Life").
The Stones use is out of control, by which I mean: suspension of disbelief only goes so far and only works on certain levels. Is is reasonable to expect the audience to suspend their collective disbelief and accept that tech such as the Stones exists? Sure. That loved ones and family members would, with no notice, move so quickly from, "Is it really you?" to making love? No; at least not for me.
Just watched the most recent episode. The Stones use is out of control, by which I mean, I can;t believe how they're being used, nor that everyone seems (Earthside) to so nonchalantly buy-in.
I think the writers are going to get rid of the stones soon, the stones are already shown to cut in and out (under certain circumstances) and cause memory swapping. I have a suspicion the stones are going to either stop working altogether or cause too much problems to be used so casually.
I expected to dislike this show but I find it unexpectedly interesting. My wife was a huge SG-1 fan and made me sit through Atlantis.
But I like this!
I do think they're on the point of using the Stones too much though.