Will there be more terrain available for the other adventures in Legacy of Fire in the style of Ruined Undercrypt of Kelmarane?
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It seems that other releases have been slowed down by the imminent change in overall design/assembly/framework in WorldWorks Games products, that's been named TerrainLinX.
A couple of preview screens for the second set (Garden of the Stone Speakers) were posted some time ago, and were really really promising.
As the first sets using the new system (Streets of Himmelveil #1-#3) should be out something soonish, I hope that Pathfinder Terrain sets will follow closely.
I really hope these guys are doing well, as their work so far is gorgeous and promised to be even more so. Maybe they'll pop back around some time--they posted early on, as I recall.
Creative Director
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I hope so! It's murder keeping up a monthly schedule, though; we can pull off that stunt at Paizo because what we're doing is less graphics intensive than the fold-up models are, and because we've got more resources and a higher headcount to bring to bear on that monthly schedule... but even then, keeping things going at a monthly pace is really rough.
Thanks for the perspective, JJ.
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Chief Technical Officer
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It seems that other releases have been slowed down by the imminent change in overall design/assembly/framework in WorldWorks Games products, that's been named TerrainLinX.
A couple of preview screens for the second set (Garden of the Stone Speakers) were posted some time ago, and were really really promising.
As the first sets using the new system (Streets of Himmelveil #1-#3) should be out something soonish, I hope that Pathfinder Terrain sets will follow closely.
That's what we're hearing.
Sorry for the late reply, we've had our noses planted firmly on the grindstone the last couple months and I had a poorly timed move which slowed me down a bit.
The transition of standards we are pushing for with TerrainlinX is both good and bad. Bad in the sense that it delayed our next Pathfinder release, EXTREMELY good in the sense that it improves almost every aspect of what we're doing with terrain in general. Making our next Pathfinder release TerrainlinX compliant means that it will be compatible with all of our upcoming releases in the TLX line. You'll be able to freely swap elements from Pathfinder straight across to our other sets using TerrainlinX and vice-versa. Not only that but the entire product will be machine cuttable for users who own Craftrobo or Silhouette SD automated cutters, saving massive time and effort. Some of the best features of the TLX system we can't even reveal yet because they are bound to spawn copycat designs.
Related likely question; yes, we'll probably end up retrofitting the Ruined Undercrypt of Kelmarane to the new standard as well.
Anyway, I know how painful the wait has been and all that I can really say is that it will be worth the wait. This changes terrain in ways that will only become clear once we do the big reveal. Once we've crossed this bridge, releases will come much more frequently. A little pain, big benefits.
Here's a few teasers from our upcoming trilogy of products which use the TerrainlinX system. Once these sets have introduced the concept, the Garden of the Stone Speakers won't be far behind:
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teaser 2
teaser 3
teaser 4
teaser 5
teaser 6
Thank you for being so patient with us!
Related likely question; yes, we'll probably end up retrofitting the Ruined Undercrypt of Kelmarane to the new standard as well.
Will the retrofitted product be an update or a separate item? I.e. will current owners have to buy it again to get the TLX version?
Will the retrofitted product be an update or a separate item? I.e. will current owners have to buy it again to get the TLX version?
Related likely question; yes, we'll probably end up retrofitting the Ruined Undercrypt of Kelmarane to the new standard as well.
We're still weighing that issue. The old standard doesn't translate well so we are forced to redesign textures, apply templates, reposition elements and generally do a lot of tweaking to make things work with TerrainlinX. If say we converted our entire WWG catalog to the new standard (which would take at least a year if not more) at some point we have to consider drawing a line in the sand. Some terrain sets work better than others and some conversions are less likely to happen. Point being; its a metric ton of work doing the conversions and it expands the scope of each set in a way that was impossible to do before. That will make much more sense when you see what the system actually does.
I'm not saying yes and I'm not saying no at this point. If we had a massive staff to offload some of that work it would be more of a cut and dry issue but we're stretched pretty thin as it is. It really depends on our situation when we find a window to do the conversion on the Undercrypt. Who knows, maybe one of us will win the lottery! ;)
Hey guys,
We just launched a preview of TerrainlinX (Launching Sept 1st). If you're strapped for time just whiz right to the Youtube video demonstrating how the system works. TerrainlinX preview .
This is the system that we are retrofitting the "Garden of the Stone Speakers" to comply with. Once you wrap your head around how limitless TerrainlinX is, you can see the many upsides to having all future releases follow this standard.
You can expect all future Pathfinder specific releases to use this new standard (from our studio anyway). That also means you'll be 100% compatible with all other releases in the format.
Wow. That looks incredibly cool. I can't wait for the Legacy of Fire stuff. Now I'm going to have to buy a cutter and get the players ready for a whole new level of table detail. :)
I will start to buy the Pathfinder terrain as soon as this terrainlinx system applies.
I hope that you will find it feasible to make more terrain for each adventure path. I would happily spend fifty to sixty dollars per path for terrain.
Bump.
What's the status, WorldWorks?
Yeah, these guys fell off the face of Golarion.
They are on track for their normal release schedule...2 years after their promise date.
It's part of the the reason why I gave up on them. Sure their stuff is terrific, but they just cannot seem to make their schedule to save their life!
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I liked the undercrypt stuff, but I am not sure that I would buy any more. It would really depend on what parts of the adventure it is for, how hard it is to build, and if I could use it again for something else.
Given that the large delay in the next Pathfinder Terrain set is due to the switch to the brand new TerrainLinX modular system, the latter of your doyubts is solved: it could be definitevely used for something else, as it's (re)designed just for this purpose.
Regarding difficulty in assembly, it should be even easier than the first set, as the single pieces of the TLX system are very simple to build and mix-match together to form structures and layouts.
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That is good news golem. Thanks!
No problem. ;-)
To give you a better idea of the modularity of the TLX system, give a look at the video presentation of the system on youtube (here, featuring the base streets/city), the sewers set which doubles easily as a dungeon (here), and at the latest TLX set, a dwarven-themed dungeon (here).
Next, think that they share the same assembly/layout mechanic and that you can combine freely elements , which would be the focal point of any future set.
The first Pathfinder Terrain set is an excellent papercrafting build, but is also a "one trick pony" of sorts. Garden of the Stone Speakers will be otherwise very easy to use along other sets, in addition a greatly enhanced intrinsic versatility in layout options.
Time to bump again.
I'm glad to hear that GWW is not going away and that Garden of the Stone Speakers is supposed to be out this month.
I'm glad to hear that GWW is not going away and that Garden of the Stone Speakers is supposed to be out this month.
Pah! I would be very very VERY surprised if we see it this month. WWG has great looking terrain but is absolutely HORRIBLE at releasing things when promised.
The dwarf poured cold water in my pot. :(
Somebody move me to a window that's getting sun.
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Chief Technical Officer
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I'm glad to hear that GWW is not going away and that Garden of the Stone Speakers is supposed to be out this month.Pah! I would be very very VERY surprised if we see it this month. WWG has great looking terrain but is absolutely HORRIBLE at releasing things when promised.
Well, they did actually have a finished build on display at their booth at Gen Con...
Yeah I am waiting for this as well. I am working on their crypt model right now.
I de-, ur, I mean, I sure wish Denny would come back. 0:)
Bump.