Ok being an Australian I didn't even know there had been a war in 1812 between the Britain and the United States.
So from my limited reading the winners were not anybody much...
The indigenous Americans suffered the worst... Were abandoned by their British allies and butchered by the US in retaliation for their support of the British.
The US kind of won because the British stopped press ganging their sailors and they scored a major victory over a British invasion force in the south.
The British kind of won because they stopped a hostile nation annexing their dominions, burnt the White House to the ground and despite losing some "minor" battles in the colonies managed to defeat the big bad in Europe. From what I have read it most British people didn't know or care as Napoleon was the major concern.
The Canadians won as they created their founding military myth(Much like the Australian ANZAC myth)in holding off the US, created a focus for Canadian nationalism and the beginnings of Canada as we know it today.
The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.
"War is a psychosis caused by an inability to see relationships. Our relationship to our fellow-men. Our relationship with our economic and historical situation. And above all, our relationship to nothingness. To death."
~John Fowles (The Magus)
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The U.S. could call it a win due to the recognition they got after the war, but the British won most of the battles. British attention was much more on Europe at the time. The U.S. had their biggest victory in the Battle of New Orleans where Andrew Jackson commanded the U.S. forces. However, the win was mainly good for bragging rights as the battle was actually fought after a treaty had been signed. The news just hadn't arrived in the south at the time of the battle.
I guess you could call Andrew Jackson the big winner as his military reputation helped get him elected President years latter.
The Star Spangled Banner was also written during the war. Although it wasn't named our national anthem until 1931.
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The US won.
After the war, the British never again seriously considered expanding their dominion in the Americas.
Before the war, the Americas was just one more piece of the global pie available for British imperialism.
And anyone who thinks that no one wins a war may want to reference the experience of:
--slaves after the civil war in the US
--Jews after WWII in Europe
--Koreans, Filipnos, and Chinese after WWII in Europe
--Soviet Communists after WWII
--women after the Afghan war of 2002
War has settled more political disagreements than any other method of conflict resolution. Sometimes the peace is the peace of a tomb but denying the effectiveness of war to resolve disputes is to refuse to acknowledge the results of any other method of dispute resolution in international affairs.
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Ok being an Australian I didn't even know there had been a war in 1812 between the Britain and the United States.
So from my limited reading the winners were not anybody much...
The indigenous Americans suffered the worst... Were abandoned by their British allies and butchered by the US in retaliation for their support of the British.
The US kind of won because the British stopped press ganging their sailors and they scored a major victory over a British invasion force in the south.
The British kind of won because they stopped a hostile nation annexing their dominions, burnt the White House to the ground and despite losing some "minor" battles in the colonies managed to defeat the big bad in Europe. From what I have read it most British people didn't know or care as Napoleon was the major concern.
The Canadians won as they created their founding military myth(Much like the Australian ANZAC myth)in holding off the US, created a focus for Canadian nationalism and the beginnings of Canada as we know it today.
The USA has always been the enemy of our world spanning Commonwealth.
THe reason this war started? Because it was used as cover to renegotiate borders. After my family left the USA (during the Revolution when Washington burned down our farm), we moved to Red River and lo an behold if the USA didnt show up an do it again. You go from being inside Canada to being pushed off your soil by US thugs. One generation after the next in retreat from the Empire of Cthulu that is the USA...
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The USA has always been the enemy of our world spanning Commonwealth.
THe reason this war started? Because it was used as cover to renegotiate borders. After my family left the USA (during the Revolution when Washington burned down our farm), we moved to Red River and lo an behold if the USA didnt show up an do it again. You go from being inside Canada to being pushed off your soil by US thugs. One generation after the next in retreat from the Empire of Cthulu that is the USA...
Aren't you all just the spawn of the convicts and degenerates the English didn't want?
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Well... in 1814, we took a little trip along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip'
(I always loved that song when I was a kid)
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The U.S. had their biggest victory in the Battle of New Orleans where Andrew Jackson commanded the U.S. forces. However, the win was mainly good for bragging rights as the battle was actually fought after a treaty had been signed. The news just hadn't arrived in the south at the time of the battle.
Damn skippy! Louisiana kicked their British asses!!!! Coincidently, I used to visit that battlefield often throughout highschool.
Aren't you all just the spawn of the convicts and degenerates the English didn't want?The USA has always been the enemy of our world spanning Commonwealth.
THe reason this war started? Because it was used as cover to renegotiate borders. After my family left the USA (during the Revolution when Washington burned down our farm), we moved to Red River and lo an behold if the USA didnt show up an do it again. You go from being inside Canada to being pushed off your soil by US thugs. One generation after the next in retreat from the Empire of Cthulu that is the USA...
Nope the USA is filled with those so stuffy and religuous that the British kicked them out (see pilgrims, Quakers, and other Yanks).
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Nope the USA is filled with those so stuffy and religuous that the British kicked them out (see pilgrims, Quakers, and other Yanks).Aren't you all just the spawn of the convicts and degenerates the English didn't want?The USA has always been the enemy of our world spanning Commonwealth.
THe reason this war started? Because it was used as cover to renegotiate borders. After my family left the USA (during the Revolution when Washington burned down our farm), we moved to Red River and lo an behold if the USA didnt show up an do it again. You go from being inside Canada to being pushed off your soil by US thugs. One generation after the next in retreat from the Empire of Cthulu that is the USA...
Dont tell them that...they might catch on that they are being erased from existance because the Commonwealth dont want their kind here! Whats the point of having a black hole weapon to erase the buggers from the Commonwealth if you go and tell them?
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The U.S. had their biggest victory in the Battle of New Orleans where Andrew Jackson commanded the U.S. forces. However, the win was mainly good for bragging rights as the battle was actually fought after a treaty had been signed. The news just hadn't arrived in the south at the time of the battle.Damn skippy! Louisiana kicked their British asses!!!! Coincidently, I used to visit that battlefield often throughout highschool.
You leave Skippy alone you bush Kangaroo molesting weirdo...
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Aren't you all just the spawn of the convicts and degenerates the English didn't want?The USA has always been the enemy of our world spanning Commonwealth.
THe reason this war started? Because it was used as cover to renegotiate borders. After my family left the USA (during the Revolution when Washington burned down our farm), we moved to Red River and lo an behold if the USA didnt show up an do it again. You go from being inside Canada to being pushed off your soil by US thugs. One generation after the next in retreat from the Empire of Cthulu that is the USA...
Hardly - mine were the settlers of new frontiers. Went to Australia and settled as Islamic colonists in 1526, left after the Tidal wave of '36 took out the settlement. Settled in America before the Quebec and Revolutionary War - should have killed 'Washington the Brigand' for torching our farm but didnt, fought in both wars, moved to Canada - Fought in 1812 War moved further into Canada, 1897 - left Canada because there were too many Americans. Moved to Australia. Fought in Boer war, WW1, WW2.
"I herein stake a flag on the Planet Earth declaring it mine." Kicks dirt in all ya faces.
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I'm American, and as much of a patriot as any, but if you actually read more than what gets taught to you in American grade school, you have to admit that the British won. No contest, the pommy bastards took it. And, to their credit, both sides handled it amazingly well, especially the British.
In short, Madison caved to the war hawks in congress, and declared war. The US had about two thousand militiamen and twenty ships. The British Empire had several hundred thousand trained soldiers and several hundred ships. English troops landed on the American coast, pushed the militias into the forests, and sacked Washington. The Americans then proceeded to surrender with the Treaty of Ghent. Unfortunately, Gen. Andrew Jackson didn't get the message, and drove the British away from New Orleans. Pleased with his victory, he stormed east, annexing the Florida territory. This last bit is the only reason that the quote-unquote history books regard the 1812 war as an "American victory."
Shorter version: Little guy USA pokes big guy BE with little stick, BE stomps USA, USA surrenders, then cheap-shots BE and says they won.
The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.
Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
Didn't mean to imply a military victory, but the U.S. did win politically. The U.S. Got recognized as a nation, we grabbed Florida, and we stopped further British colonization in the America's guarantying unopposed westward expansion of the U.S. The wins outweigh the losses.
Coincidently, I used to visit that battlefield often throughout highschool.
Map it up for us, and post it, so we can game it. Make sure to include basic troop movements that really occurred, and some sample paper-minis to represent each side's guys.
Maybe we can PbP it..
The War of 1812 was the British's Vietnam.The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
Not really. Great Britain doesn't suffer that kind of social shock until World War I
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Not really. Great Britain doesn't suffer that kind of social shock until World War IThe War of 1812 was the British's Vietnam.The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
Socially you are correct. I was simply comparing the two from a military standpoint. I should have made myself more clear.
We did. Fear Yunevrherdofus!
The War of 1812 was the British's Vietnam.The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
Ok I have only read the Wiki Entry on the war so I may be missing stuff.
I cant see how this statement is correct.
Vietnam - was a major commitment from the US (and allies (Australia, South Korea, and New Zealand and the Philippines)), aimed at resolving a civil war about political ideology.
It involved relativley few Naval battles, or major land battles. Allied ground forces were forced into a take and hold situation, in an effort to eliminate local insurgency.
In the 1812 conflict the US in an effort to stop the Brittish abusing international law invaded British domninions in North America unsucessfully for the same reasons above (You could say that Vietnam was Americas Canada)... then had its centre of government burnt to the ground in punative raid by colonal troops.
The major American victories were on the sea (out classing British naval tactics and design) and when the Britsh attempted to open another front by invading the south.
The fact the the British had more important commitments elsewhere fought primarly defensively and were more than happy to go to the peace table when they had sorted Europe gives you the impression of the importantance they gave the conflict...
If they were really interested Wellington would have been dispatched and a serious number of veteran ground troops would have been landed.
The Canadian Perspective
Except that the British did it. Can't be Canadian until you are actually a Country, at that point you were still just colonials.
All of the above is true. I think it's safe to say that the US didn't actually "win" a war against a foreign power until the Spanish-American war of 1898, and that was against an opponent that was already in serious decline.Mexican–American War (1846 to 1848).
Or we could try about 9~7 years earlier (from 1812) with the First Barbary War...
You know being that it happened in North Africa, against the Barbary States...
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The War of 1812 was the British's Vietnam.The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
Ok I have only read the Wiki Entry on the war so I may be missing stuff.
I cant see how this statement is correct.
Reader's Digest version, In Vietnam America won every military engagement but lost the war. In the War of 1812 Great Britan won every military engagement, but lost the war.
Reader's Digest version, In Vietnam America won every military engagement but lost the war. In the War of 1812 Great Britan won every military engagement, but lost the war.The War of 1812 was the British's Vietnam.The U.S. won, only after the 1812 war did Great Britain officially recognize the U.S. as independent nation.Technically true.
Militarily the British won, hands down. But, politically the U.S. got what it needed. :)
Ok I have only read the Wiki Entry on the war so I may be missing stuff.
I cant see how this statement is correct.
Ok.... Now I understand...
I just think the war petered out, nobody was interested in pursuing it, both sides "achieved" their main objectives.
US - Stop the British boarding their ships and blockading their ports.
British - Stop the US annexing its Dominions and trading with the French.
After the French lost in Europe there was no reason for the war to continue.
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And to think that if Jeferrson had brough back the Hot air baloon from France to the USA, and the brighter individuals of the day had invented something like the Zeppelin, you could have dominated the skies with Trade. A Zeppelin could carry a Cargo container. That means fifty tones of produce, A tank, or a Toolstore along with personel.
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The Canadian PerspectiveExcept that the British did it. Can't be Canadian until you are actually a Country, at that point you were still just colonials.
All of the above is true. I think it's safe to say that the US didn't actually "win" a war against a foreign power until the Spanish-American war of 1898, and that was against an opponent that was already in serious decline.Mexican–American War (1846 to 1848).
Or we could try about 9~7 years earlier (from 1812) with the First Barbary War...
You know being that it happened in North Africa, against the Barbary States...
Dammit! I knew I forgot another example!
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Dammit! I knew I forgot another example!The Canadian PerspectiveExcept that the British did it. Can't be Canadian until you are actually a Country, at that point you were still just colonials.
All of the above is true. I think it's safe to say that the US didn't actually "win" a war against a foreign power until the Spanish-American war of 1898, and that was against an opponent that was already in serious decline.Mexican–American War (1846 to 1848).
Or we could try about 9~7 years earlier (from 1812) with the First Barbary War...
You know being that it happened in North Africa, against the Barbary States...
I think I meant to refer to a "major world power" as opposed to "any other country", but my initial post did not make that distinction, so I concede both of these examples.
(Just explaining how I came up with such a historically inaccurate post...)
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In the War of 1812 Great Britan won every military engagement, but lost the war.
Actually, the British didn't win every military engagement. The U.S. won at York (1813), the Thames River (1813), Chippawa (1814)("Regulars, by god!"), Cook's Mills (1814), Lake Erie/Plattsburgh (1814) as well as the British failing in their siege of Baltimore (1814), the defeat of the British-allied Creek Indians, at Horseshoe Bend (1814), and the various naval victories involving ships like the USS Constitution and USS United States. Of course, there was also the clash at New Orleans, but as we all know, that happened after the Treaty of Ghent.
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Agreed..the US got what it wanted south of the Canadian Border but the vision of a North American Continent under the Stars and Stripes was lost forever..despite the best efforts of the Fenians in the 1860s.
I'm still not sure why the US didn't go the whole hog and annex all off Mexico after 1848 not just those parts north of the Rio Grande. It would have solved all your Immigration problems
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Agreed..the US got what it wanted south of the Canadian Border but the vision of a North American Continent under the Stars and Stripes was lost forever..despite the best efforts of the Fenians in the 1860s.
I'm still not sure why the US didn't go the whole hog and annex all off Mexico after 1848 not just those parts north of the Rio Grande. It would have solved all your Immigration problems
It would have, but Mexico was so politically problematic at that thime that it would have been more trouble than it was worth. In fact, it could be argued that the region is still not all that stable politically.
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Just to add my Canadian 2 cents to this (which is the same as 1 piece of an American penny)...
It is said the no one really won the War of 1812 EXCEPT the Canadian people (not those living in York though). It's one of the turning points of our history, and as someone who lived along the Border, it's still a piece of Canadian pride within Windsor, Ontario. We were invaded, and through less help than normal from the British, we repelled an invading nation.
It's also a reason we should treat our Indian-Canadian brethern better, since without their help, we'd be 12 of the more screwed up States in the US now.
Another interesting fact that's talked about up here a lot is that it's the reason the White house is White. A group of Newfoundlander's got up one day, marched into the US, and with missing the US president by only 45 minutes, burned the White House. The white paint covered up the burn marks.
Please note that I'm not trying to say Canadian's or American's are better in any way. War is never the answer, and I wouldn't want to trade the very nice American's that I work with every day in the American founded company I work for the world.
The War of 1812 happened, and part of our heritage came out of it.
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Just to add my Canadian 2 cents to this (which is the same as 1 piece of an American penny)...
It is said the no one really won the War of 1812 EXCEPT the Canadian people (not those living in York though). It's one of the turning points of our history, and as someone who lived along the Border, it's still a piece of Canadian pride within Windsor, Ontario. We were invaded, and through less help than normal from the British, we repelled an invading nation.
It's also a reason we should treat our Indian-Canadian brethern better, since without their help, we'd be 12 of the more screwed up States in the US now.
Another interesting fact that's talked about up here a lot is that it's the reason the White house is White. A group of Newfoundlander's got up one day, marched into the US, and with missing the US president by only 45 minutes, burned the White House. The white paint covered up the burn marks.
Please note that I'm not trying to say Canadian's or American's are better in any way. War is never the answer, and I wouldn't want to trade the very nice American's that I work with every day in the American founded company I work for the world.
The War of 1812 happened, and part of our heritage came out of it.
I dont know, now that they are questioning Obama's place of birth - there is no birth certificate apparently - they may have elected a Commonwealth citizen to the Presidency...Just Hoist a Commonwealth flag over the Whitehouse and be done with it.
Just to add my Canadian 2 cents to this (which is the same as 1 piece of an American penny)...
It is said the no one really won the War of 1812 EXCEPT the Canadian people (not those living in York though). It's one of the turning points of our history, and as someone who lived along the Border, it's still a piece of Canadian pride within Windsor, Ontario. We were invaded, and through less help than normal from the British, we repelled an invading nation.
It's also a reason we should treat our Indian-Canadian brethern better, since without their help, we'd be 12 of the more screwed up States in the US now.
Another interesting fact that's talked about up here a lot is that it's the reason the White house is White. A group of Newfoundlander's got up one day, marched into the US, and with missing the US president by only 45 minutes, burned the White House. The white paint covered up the burn marks.
Please note that I'm not trying to say Canadian's or American's are better in any way. War is never the answer, and I wouldn't want to trade the very nice American's that I work with every day in the American founded company I work for the world.
The War of 1812 happened, and part of our heritage came out of it.
Meh. The Toledo War was more pivotal. ;)
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I dont know, now that they are questioning Obama's place of birth - there is no birth certificate apparently - they may have elected a Commonwealth citizen to the Presidency...Just Hoist a Commonwealth flag over the Whitehouse and be done with it.
Well, yes, that's our insidious plan. And then the US and her many great riches will be back in our... wait a second... this may not be a good plan.
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I dont know, now that they are questioning Obama's place of birth - there is no birth certificate apparently - they may have elected a Commonwealth citizen to the Presidency...Just Hoist a Commonwealth flag over the Whitehouse and be done with it.
The (ridiculous) claim is that he would be a dual citizen if he was born overseas. That he holds American citizenship has never been doubted, because his mother was an American citizen. Therefore, the turning over of the United States to the Commonwealth, as amusing as it is, has no foundation in... well, anything.
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I dont know, now that they are questioning Obama's place of birth - there is no birth certificate apparently - they may have elected a Commonwealth citizen to the Presidency...Just Hoist a Commonwealth flag over the Whitehouse and be done with it.The (ridiculous) claim is that he would be a dual citizen if he was born overseas. That he holds American citizenship has never been doubted, because his mother was an American citizen. Therefore, the turning over of the United States to the Commonwealth, as amusing as it is, has no foundation in... well, anything.
His being a citizen is not enough. The Constitution still clearly states that you have to have been born in the United States, or its territories, and the "Birthers" claim that he was not in fact born in Hawaii, but Kenya. (The dual citizenship thing isn't an issue anymore. To keep his Kenyan citizenship after age 21, he would have had to renounce any other claims to citizenship he had elsewhere, ie, his United States citizenship, and he didn't.)
Not that the Republican Party was free of this controversy as well. There was some debate about John McCain's legal status, too. He was born in the at-the-time US-controlled Panama Canal Zone, and there are some weird legal irregularities there. Long story short, the US didn't want a whole bunch of Panamanian immigrants and they passed a law about it, but that violates the 14th Amendment to our Constitution, so... *shrugs*
I dont know, now that they are questioning Obama's place of birth - there is no birth certificate apparently - they may have elected a Commonwealth citizen to the Presidency...Just Hoist a Commonwealth flag over the Whitehouse and be done with it.The (ridiculous) claim is that he would be a dual citizen if he was born overseas. That he holds American citizenship has never been doubted, because his mother was an American citizen. Therefore, the turning over of the United States to the Commonwealth, as amusing as it is, has no foundation in... well, anything.His being a citizen is not enough. The Constitution still clearly states that you have to have been born in the United States, or its territories, and the "Birthers" claim that he was not in fact born in Hawaii, but Kenya. (The dual citizenship thing isn't an issue anymore. To keep his Kenyan citizenship after age 21, he would have had to renounce any other claims to citizenship he had elsewhere, ie, his United States citizenship, and he didn't.)
Not that the Republican Party was free of this controversy as well. There was some debate about John McCain's legal status, too. He was born in the at-the-time US-controlled Panama Canal Zone, and there are some weird legal irregularities there. Long story short, the US didn't want a whole bunch of Panamanian immigrants and they passed a law about it, but that violates the 14th Amendment to our Constitution, so... *shrugs*
List of requirements needed to be eligible to become POTUS.
"Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.), this is only legal clause the republicans had in claiming Obama wasn't eligible to be POTUS. When Obama's father married his mother Obama's father became a citizen. Obama's parents were married when he was born so Obama fulfills this requirement and is legaly able to be POTUS.
When McCain was born in Panama it was a US terrorty and thus McCain was also eligible to POTUS.
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Currently it is any child born to an USA citizen (no matter where the child is born) OR any child born in the USA.
The US won.
After the war, the British never again seriously considered expanding their dominion in the Americas.
Before the war, the Americas was just one more piece of the global pie available for British imperialism.
Its improbable that a war was required for this state of affairs to come into existence. The British gave on pretty much all points once the Americans made it clear they were deadly serous about starting a war. Beyond that America was in such terrible shape when the war came to a close that its very difficult to believe that the British some how learned to be particularly fearful of America through the lesson of war.
America was so bad off when the war came to a close that the economy collapsed, they'd only begin to come out of the tailspin in 1818. Furthermore the political union was so badly strained that she had in fact simply stopped paying her armies. The central government was so discredited that Madison was only able to raise a loan of 10 million (Chump change) using his personal credit. The government itself simply had no funds because the states had stopped handing over taxes in order to keep those taxes to supply their own state militias. The Federal army reached its zenith in 1813 after that it began to shrink and it got to the point where whole armies simply faded away, the one stationed around Detroit being a prime example - having won victories in the area they eventually simply abandoned all conquests and marched home due to lack of supplies and pay.
Hence there is no reason to believe that the British learned anything from this course of events. While they were certainly unaware of how close they were to at least shattering the political union of the United States during the war they would have become aware of this soon enough after it finished. In fact saying they were unaware of how well things were going really only applies to London. The British forces on the scene were flabbergasted by the lack of any kind of worth while concessions in the Treaty of Ghent. They new things were, in general, going their way - but from London's perspective this whole affair was an annoying side show to the real task of carving up the map of Europe to their liking with the defeat of Napoleon.
The British did not again bother America anytime soon after that because they had no meaningful goals in the area. In fact their Canadian subjects would be irritated time and time again during the next century regarding just how little support they would get whenever any kind of political dispute arose with America, Britain never really saw any worth while gain from any of these affairs and there was always something much more important going on in Europe or Asia.
In fact we can see just how little the British regarded America in their subsequent actions, not the actions in screwing with America, because, for the most part that did not happen, but with the precautions they took to defend Canada - or more accurately the total lack of precautions. Britain totally neglected the defense of Canada in the wake of the War of 1812. Essentially the plan, if one could call it that, was that America would invade, trip over themselves in a general fail at everything they did and then the British Regulars would arrive by boat and beat them up.
Compare and contrast this with the situation in 1866 after the Union armies have crushed the Confederacy. This is an important date in regards to British opinions of America. Canada celebrates Confederation in 1867 for a reason, the reason is that this was the fastest a strong political union could be forged between the various British Colonies in North America from the point when the Americans ceased to be viewed as more or less an impotent rabble and was perceived as a real threat. From this date all sorts of fortifications were laid down across the Canadian frontier, most of them going active around 1876. These were real state of the art works for their time (you can still visit the odd one as some were maintained by Parks Canada). Here for the first time a real military plan is actually developed for the defense of Canada centering around holding the Americans at key fortifications for as long as possible to enable the forces of the Empire to mobilize and arrive.
Hence the idea that the war of 1812 was an American Victory because it caused Britain to be respectful of America is not accurate, Britain treated America with all the deference modern major powers treat Mexico, which is to say not all that much at all. That would, of course change, but much more because of the American Civil War and the sheer size and strength of the armies in that war then because of anything that took place in the War of 1812.
The U.S. had their biggest victory in the Battle of New Orleans where Andrew Jackson commanded the U.S. forces. However, the win was mainly good for bragging rights as the battle was actually fought after a treaty had been signed. The news just hadn't arrived in the south at the time of the battle.Damn skippy! Louisiana kicked their British asses!!!! Coincidently, I used to visit that battlefield often throughout highschool.
Certainly a major American victory but maybe not as devistating as is often thought.
The British still had lots of fight in them, they boarded their ships figuring that if the American army was in New Orleans then it could not be at Mobile.
The last land action of the War of 1812 is the British seizing Fort Bowyer to lay the way open for an attack on Mobile. They were just about to launch the attack when word arrived that the war was over.
And off course the Fenian raids I mentioned above all took place in the decade following The Civil War...another reason for the Empire to be wary of American expansionism as elements within Congress(due to Tammany Halls influence) were supporting the idea of an invasion.
Eh...The Fenians were really stopped by the Americans who cut off their supplies.
One of the fights was a really interesting battle though. Does show some of the shortcomings in the Militia system in Canada around the time of the American Civil War.
Essentially the Canadian Militia was a young gentleman's club. You can only get into it if your a muckety muck. In the wake of the main Fenian invasion the militia was of course called up and they headed south to fight the invading Fenians. Deciding that this is going to be a grand old occasion all the well to do ladies pack lunches to go off and see their brave lads do battle with the unwashed masses of Irish invaders.
The the fight starts up with the Fenians advancing and the Canadian militia delivers a nasty old volley into the Fenian ranks and the whole front rank of Fenians goes down. Now a key fact here is that almost all the the Fenians are veterans of the American Civil War so they are used to this sort of thing and they calmly step over the their wounded or dying comrades without so much as a pause. This totally unmans the Canadian Militia and they break and flee the field routing back north and leaving their lady folk behind.
This of course freaks out the Canadian administration and by evening the steal workers in Hamilton are being called out and armed, meanwhile two regiments of regulars are loading trains in Halifax to rush to the area. All unnecessary of course as the Americans close the borders and stop supplies from reaching the Fenians who can't long stay in Canadian territory without supplies and soon return south.