I'm fairly sure I heard a tip that there would be more daemons appearing sometime in the near future.
Does anyone know about this, or has heard about/can confirm this?
Will it be before the big switch to PFRPG, say in Vault of Souls? Or something else?
Any information would be much appreciated, I love the NE soul-eating freaks.
Well, there's of course more than a fair bit about daemons in The Great Beyond and a few tastes in Vault of Souls, but that's all I can think of at the moment. There's a few other ideas - especially in my head - about these fiends finally getting the love they deserve, but nothing on the schedule as of yet. But hang tight, you're not alone in your daemon love.
Could the other types of daemons (and other outside types) have lots of SLAs, please?
Probably yes and no. There's not going to be a set design philosophy that says all daemons must have X many spell-like abilities. At the same time, the leukodaemon shouldn't be taken as a design trend, as there's no philosophy that says daemons don't have spell-like abilities. Just like how the kyton and the beblith have no spell-like abilities and the gelugon and the maralith have a bunch, it'll vary on a case by case basis. That being said, there's some new daemons in both the Great Beyond and in Vault of Souls (now that I think of it), that should satisfy ya!
I have heard he can be conjured up by mentioning his name!
I posted in another thread actually:
"Well, I don't exist in this cosmology, but for the moment I'll be Trelmarixian the Black's press secretary. And on behalf of my syrupy employer the Lord of Wasting, I can answer that one with an emphatic yes since the module takes place partly inside of his native plane.
Trelmarixian will make some appearance as an alt on the boards at some stage once there's an appropriate picture for an avatar."
*daemonic grin*
There's a few other ideas - especially in my head - about these fiends finally getting the love they deserve, but nothing on the schedule as of yet. But hang tight, you're not alone in your daemon love.
My love for them is like something that's probably illegal in some localities in the south.
Published or not, I'm in the same boat as you Wes, I have a godawfully large amount of stuff swimming around in my head (and wanting to take over like the alien black oil in the X-Files), as well as stuff written down either for use later or as part of a planar Golarion campaign that I'll be running in the future (probably set in the Maelstrom city of Galisemni the City of the Celestial and the Damned).
Is that Todd, Todd, Todd... or Shemeska, Shemeska, Shem...<ulp!>
See, it's that easy. :)
Is that Todd, Todd, Todd... or Shemeska, Shemeska, Shem...<ulp!>See, it's that easy. :)
Oh sure, sure, keep summoning me. It's all fun and games till someone gets devoured in public by invisible monsters all Abdul Alhazred style.
That being said, there's some new daemons in both the Great Beyond and in Vault of Souls (now that I think of it), that should satisfy ya!
Aha, just what I was looking for! I got Great Beyond, its a fantastic read, I'd nearly buy a second and frame it! The astradaemon is great and beautifully illustrated. Can't wait to get Vault of Souls!
Astradaemon is the most fascinating fiend which I have seen.
I am anxious to read future bestiary,full of deamons...
It's all fun and games till someone gets devoured in public by invisible monsters all Abdul Alhazred style.
My son says he thought that's what *made* it all fun and games, that public devouring...
Oh sure, sure, keep summoning me. It's all fun and games till someone gets devoured in public by invisible monsters all Abdul Alhazred style.Is that Todd, Todd, Todd... or Shemeska, Shemeska, Shem...<ulp!>See, it's that easy. :)
Will they be cute invisible monsters, like Shemmy and her two sisters?
And though this has doubtless already been asked... any chance of seeing "classic" daemons like the yugoloths in Golafion? I really like the arcanaloths.
Would also like to say I appreciate the new yugo---err---daemons produced by you Todd. You finally got to do what WotC's always had some strange fear to let you do for years!
Also, kudos to the Vulpinal in "The Great Beyond". Surprised guardinals were OGL, too bad the 'loths weren't.
I'm curious about the proteans though---a slaad-substitute, a slaad-relation, or something more primordial than the slaad that works side-by-side with them?
Speaking of Vault of Souls, what's with the Meladaemon resembling the Arcanaloth so closely?
Would also like to say I appreciate the new yugo---err---daemons produced by you Todd. You finally got to do what WotC's always had some strange fear to let you do for years!
Also, kudos to the Vulpinal in "The Great Beyond". Surprised guardinals were OGL, too bad the 'loths weren't.
I'm curious about the proteans though---a slaad-substitute, a slaad-relation, or something more primordial than the slaad that works side-by-side with them?
Speaking of Vault of Souls, what's with the Meladaemon resembling the Arcanaloth so closely?
Not Todd, but from all I've gathered from messageboard posts, probably the third option. There are no official Slaad in Golarion and The Great Beyond though.
I'm curious about the proteans though---a slaad-substitute, a slaad-relation, or something more primordial than the slaad that works side-by-side with them?
Neither. :)
Slaadi were totally off limits for the cosmology, so I had to come up with a CN exemplar race de novo. The protean names are derived from those of the serpentine proto-gods from the ancient egyptian ogdoad of hermopolis.
Speaking of Vault of Souls, what's with the Meladaemon resembling the Arcanaloth so closely?
The meladaemons' form is based off of Trelmarixian the Black, a unique arcanaloth-mostly-thing from my home campaign. Golarion's Trelmarixian has a form that's an admixture of the one from my campaign, and another unique arcanaloth named Escheris the Rotting. The third of that group of siblings from my home game, Vorasha the Ophidian, shows up (in name at least) among the minor nobility in Abbadon.
So form-wise there's some heritage showing, but in terms of what they do and their motivations, they diverge from the non-ogl arcanaloths. They aren't shapeshifting sorcerers. I wish I'd been able to use straight up 'loths are times, but not being able to do so (among other Planescape races being verbotten) injected a lot of new ideas into the mix I think.
Also, kudos to the Vulpinal in "The Great Beyond". Surprised guardinals were OGL, too bad the 'loths weren't.
Speaking of Vault of Souls, what's with the Meladaemon resembling the Arcanaloth so closely?
Sad to hear the bad news about the 'loths, but at least we get the guardinals. Maybe we'll get a 3.75 version of the lupinals?
And *sigh* now it sounds like I gotta get a copy of "Vault of Souls" to go along with "Great Beyond". Hopefully they're both still in print.
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Sad to hear the bad news about the 'loths, but at least we get the guardinals. Maybe we'll get a 3.75 version of the lupinals?
And *sigh* now it sounds like I gotta get a copy of "Vault of Souls" to go along with "Great Beyond". Hopefully they're both still in print.
The weird part is that although we have avorals and the like... we actually CAN'T use the word "guardinal." Or "eladrin," for that matter.
Which is why our NG outsiders are agathions and our CG ones are azatas.
Vault of Souls and Great Beyond are both in print, with no real worries of going out of print anytime soon.
Vault of Souls and Great Beyond are both in print, with no real worries of going out of print anytime soon.
They are also both very good, so go buy them! It does help to have a copy of the Revised Tome of Horrors if you want to run Vault of Souls though, there are a few references to daemons from there. If you like daemons, you should buy that PDF anyway.
Vault of Souls and Great Beyond are both in print, with no real worries of going out of print anytime soon.They are also both very good, so go buy them! It does help to have a copy of the Revised Tome of Horrors if you want to run Vault of Souls though, there are a few references to daemons from there. If you like daemons, you should buy that PDF anyway.
Green Ronins' The Book of Fiends has lots of Daemon.. err... Evilishness.
Green Ronins' The Book of Fiends has lots of Daemon.. err... Evilishness.Vault of Souls and Great Beyond are both in print, with no real worries of going out of print anytime soon.They are also both very good, so go buy them! It does help to have a copy of the Revised Tome of Horrors if you want to run Vault of Souls though, there are a few references to daemons from there. If you like daemons, you should buy that PDF anyway.
Yeah, and I like it, but their daemons run off themes based on the seven deadly sins. Golarion daemons are themed more along the lines of the Four Horsemen (War, Death, Famine, and Plague).
Though nothing says that you can't have Gehennan 'sin daemons' and Hadean 'horsemen daemons'.
And now I imagine a gang of arcanaloths standing in the background, wondering who the heaven let all these freaks in...
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Yeah, and I like it, but their daemons run off themes based on the seven deadly sins. Golarion daemons are themed more along the lines of the Four Horsemen (War, Death, Famine, and Plague).
Though nothing says that you can't have Gehennan 'sin daemons' and Hadean 'horsemen daemons'.
And now I imagine a gang of arcanaloths standing in the background, wondering who the heaven let all these freaks in...
In fact, we've already used daemons from Green Ronin's Book of Fiends in Pathfinder at least once that I can think of. So yeah; they're good!