Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell 'rogue' correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it 'properly,' spell it as ROGE. Heck, spell it as ROGE even if you do remember the 'proper' spelling! 'Cause let's be honest; a U has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside the social norms of his people.
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Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell 'rogue' correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it 'properly,' spell it as ROGE. Heck, spell it as ROGE even if you do remember the 'proper' spelling! 'Cause let's be honest; a U has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside the social norms of his people.
No problemo, Tekila Sonrise!
Just like we will be getting a TV Channel renamed SyFy just because it is cool? ~goes off to barf~
Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell 'rogue' correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it 'properly,' spell it as ROGE. Heck, spell it as ROGE even if you do remember the 'proper' spelling! 'Cause let's be honest; a U has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside the social norms of his people.No problemo, Tekila Sonrise!
That's Tek[u]e[/u]la Sunr[u]i[/u]s to you!
Don't make me hurt you.....
Hey, don't hurt me. I will despise that channel if they do that. If that event occurs, then I may just drop cable completely.
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Don't make me hurt you.....Hey, don't hurt me. I will despise that channel if they do that. If that event occurs, then I may just drop cable completely.
Not you, the dude intentionally trying to force more people to misspell "Rogue". I may need to hire some ninjas to teach him a lesson.
Of course hiring some rogues would be poetic justice.
Don't make me hurt you.....Hey, don't hurt me. I will despise that channel if they do that. If that event occurs, then I may just drop cable completely.Not you, the dude intentionally trying to force more people to misspell "Rogue". I may need to hire some ninjas to teach him a lesson.
Of course hiring some rogues would be poetic justice.
** spoiler omitted **
~sneaks in and dusts Fakey's face~ That is a sneak attack! ~disapears in a cloud of makeup~
Don't make me hurt you.....Hey, don't hurt me. I will despise that channel if they do that. If that event occurs, then I may just drop cable completely.Not you, the dude intentionally trying to force more people to misspell "Rogue". I may need to hire some ninjas to teach him a lesson.
Of course hiring some rogues would be poetic justice.
** spoiler omitted **
Your plan will never work, my underpants have the 100% Fortification enchantment! So unless your roges have brilliant energy weapons, your evil plot is spoiled!
...And if they do have BE weapons, they'll have to defeat me in a twenty page long forum debate about whether BE bypasses Fort.
No way. If people cannot spell, we should encourage them to try harder instead of dumbing down everything.
What's next? People unable to do the 1-2-1 diagonal counting and instead of sending them to elementary school again, we do away with the rule and accept that you're now over 40% faster than others if you run in different directions?
Rogue. It's not quantum physics. :P
Leave the spelling of roags alone! Rougs get enough abuse as it is. The last thing we need is more people who don't know how to spell rowg.
I will despise that channel if they do that. If that event occurs, then I may just drop cable completely.
I already despise that channel, regardless.
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What's next? People unable to do the 1-2-1 diagonal counting and instead of sending them to elementary school again, we do away with the rule and accept that you're now over 40% faster than others if you run in different directions?
I see what ya did thar!
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Don't make me hurt you.....Hey, don't hurt me. I will despise that channel if they do that. If that event occurs, then I may just drop cable completely.Not you, the dude intentionally trying to force more people to misspell "Rogue". I may need to hire some ninjas to teach him a lesson.
Of course hiring some rogues would be poetic justice.
** spoiler omitted **
Your plan will never work, my underpants have the 100% Fortification enchantment! So unless your roges have brilliant energy weapons, your evil plot is spoiled!
...And if they do have BE weapons, they'll have to defeat me in a twenty page long forum debate about whether BE bypasses Fort.
Sneak attack touch spell!
It's not quantum physics.
Fractions have been a bar to entry for Champions for years.
It is bad enough that the only non-fighter, non-magic option has been downgraded to a common criminal.
S$%@e, the underline tags don't work on this forum! Anyway, what's the deal with SyFy? Apparently we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but it's wise to judge a channel by its name alone? And it's not even a different name, they just changed from one nonsensical spelling to another.
No way. If people cannot spell, we should encourage them to try harder instead of dumbing down everything.
I had intended this to be a light hearted thread, so I wasn't going to use the E word, but you just had to use the DD phrase. So here's the deal: 'dumbing down' implies a loss of meaning. When parents teach their children about morality, they dumb down concepts to make learning them easier. They say "killing is evil" and "sharing is good", even though most of those parents have several provisos to each of those concepts. You can argue that going from 1-2-1 to 1-1-1 is dumbing the game down, because it does remove a certain amount of reality. [I happen to agree with you on this one; square circles are too much of an abstraction for the sake of simplicity.]
But removing vestigal letters from words is not dumbing anything down. 'Roge' means exactly the same thing as 'rogue,' it still ryhms with, well, nothing and you can use it in all the same ways that you use 'rogue.' No lost meaning or value. The only difference is that one requires more rote memorization to learn than the other. Insisting that everyone use the same needlessly bizarre practices as you use is effectively saying "I want everyone to suffer the same BS that I do, because I can't be bothered to learn anything new." That's lazy, selfish and elitist.
But removing vestigal letters from words is not dumbing anything down. 'Roge' means exactly the same thing as 'rogue,' it still ryhms with, well, nothing and you can use it in all the same ways that you use 'rogue.' No lost meaning or value. The only difference is that one requires more rote memorization to learn than the other. Insisting that everyone use the same needlessly bizarre practices as you use is effectively saying "I want everyone to suffer the same BS that I do, because I can't be bothered to learn anything new." That's lazy, selfish and elitist.
It's not the KaeYoss wants "everyone to suffer the same BS that I do, because I can't be bothered to learn anything new." It's that standardized spelling has benefits. Despite odd (usually French influenced) spelling quirks, it's much easier to decipher modern "standard English" than the highly variable spellings of the past.
And why THAC0...why not just count up, and call it an attack bonus?!
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When I see Roge, I automatically assume that the G is supposed to be soft. So I start wondering what a 'roje' is. The u in Rogue tells me that the g is supposed to be hard.
When I see Roge, I automatically assume that the G is supposed to be soft. So I start wondering what a 'roje' is. The u in Rogue tells me that the g is supposed to be hard.
I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds. I really don't mean to sound snide or anything when I say this, but there is no 'soft G' sound. G is often an inexplicable stand-in for J, but that sound is nevertheless J rather than G. There's also that rolling J sound that English has no letter for (massage), and who knows why G was chosen to represent that sound. I think if we can learn to recognize 'guage' as being pronounced 'gaje,' we can also learn to recognize 'roge,' which is actually spelled the way it sounds. If all else fails, sound it out like you did in grade school.
Thieves do not suck.
When I see Roge, I automatically assume that the G is supposed to be soft. So I start wondering what a 'roje' is. The u in Rogue tells me that the g is supposed to be hard.I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds. I really don't mean to sound snide or anything when I say this, but there is no 'soft G' sound. G is often an inexplicable stand-in for J, but that sound is nevertheless J rather than G. There's also that rolling J sound that English has no letter for (massage), and who knows why G was chosen to represent that sound. I think if we can learn to recognize 'guage' as being pronounced 'gaje,' we can also learn to recognize 'roge,' which is actually spelled the way it sounds. If all else fails, sound it out like you did in grade school.
Umm, you just proved my point. Gauge has a ge on the end, showing that is should be pronounced with a j sound.
I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds.
uhhh couldn't the same be said of pronouncing 'rogue' properly?
I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds.uhhh couldn't the same be said of pronouncing 'rogue' properly?
Yep :)
I have a five year old who is in the process of learning how to read. Vowels make him crazy because they don't follow any real pattern. Because trying to learn English phonetically is an exercise in madness. The rules change every other word. I don't see a real need to single out this one word out of all the others that don't really make sense.
I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds.uhhh couldn't the same be said of pronouncing 'rogue' properly?
You'd hope so. Sigh, thew English language has gone to the chimps apparently.
I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds.uhhh couldn't the same be said of pronouncing 'rogue' properly?Yep :)
I have a five year old who is in the process of learning how to read. Vowels make him crazy because they don't follow any real pattern. Because trying to learn English phonetically is an exercise in madness. The rules change every other word. I don't see a real need to single out this one word out of all the others that don't really make sense.
Student: This...this is madness.
English teacher : THIS US ENGLIISSSHHH!!!!*kicks student down hole*
Wedgie!
Your plan will never work, my underpants have the 100% Fortification enchantment!
Ouchie!
I had intended this to be a light hearted thread, so I wasn't going to use the E word, but you just had to use the DD phrase. So here's the deal: 'dumbing down' implies a loss of meaning.
Thanks for the lesson. I'll remember it in the spirit it was given.
But removing vestigal letters from words is not dumbing anything down. 'Roge' means exactly the same thing as 'rogue,'
Except that most people wouldn't spell it the same.
That U isn't just there for show, you know.
Insisting that everyone use the same needlessly bizarre practices as you use is effectively saying "I want everyone to suffer the same BS that I do, because I can't be bothered to learn anything new." That's lazy, selfish and elitist.
Talk about BS.
You lecture me how dumbing down was a stupid choice of words and then call *me* elitist?
Not to mention that roge wouldn't sound like rogue unless you memorise that this -ge doesn't sound like any other -ge.
the -gue makes perfect sense to me in this case, and I don't think that replacing one bizarre rule with another makes any sense. But maybe I'm just a dumb foreigner who knows nothing about English.
*disclaimer I have not read the thread.*
Rogues suck? I always thought they did it from behind.
That reminds me of the swallow incedent in Dragon.
No problemo, Tekila Sonrise!That's Tek[u]e[/u]la Sunr[u]i[/u]s to you!
But that would be a short I in Sunris then, rhyming with "his".
And for the record, I pronounce rogue ro-gu-e, because that's the pronounciation which fits the spelling. Maybe you should keep the spelling as it is and just change the pronounciation.
I think some of you are expanding my position further than I'm arguing. To put it differently: since some people have trouble spelling rogue, they might as well use a simpler spelling. On a D&D forum at least, rogue, rouge and roge are all instantly recognizable so it doesn't make a difference which is used. Even if it makes you twitch, you know exactly what the word means.
Umm, you just proved my point. Gauge has a ge on the end, showing that is should be pronounced with a j sound.When I see Roge, I automatically assume that the G is supposed to be soft. So I start wondering what a 'roje' is. The u in Rogue tells me that the g is supposed to be hard.I think you're smart enough that you'd work it out after about three milliseconds. I really don't mean to sound snide or anything when I say this, but there is no 'soft G' sound. G is often an inexplicable stand-in for J, but that sound is nevertheless J rather than G. There's also that rolling J sound that English has no letter for (massage), and who knows why G was chosen to represent that sound. I think if we can learn to recognize 'guage' as being pronounced 'gaje,' we can also learn to recognize 'roge,' which is actually spelled the way it sounds. If all else fails, sound it out like you did in grade school.
Actually I was using 'guage' to demonstrate the inconsistent relationship between U, G, J and variations thereof. Just like I can use 'argue' to demonstrate how needlessly confusing the "G + U = J" rule is. [When we have to hear a word spoken to know its correct pronunciation, the purpose of all these written rules pretty much falls flat.]
uhhh couldn't the same be said of pronouncing 'rogue' properly?
Yes, it can. The point is that you're free to spell it 'rogue' if you want to, just as others are free to spell it 'roge' if they want to, because it doesn't matter.
I don't see a real need to single out this one word out of all the others that don't really make sense.
I singled this word out because this is a D&D forum, so rogues come up a lot. If you're interested, I have a wordpress blog about the insanity of the rest of written English but that's not the point of this thread.
Except that most people wouldn't spell it the same.
That U isn't just there for show, you know.
Says you and a few other grammar fanatics on an online forum. Me, I say it is there for show, and many people agree with me. Think about this; which rule did you learn first: G makes the G sound, or GU makes the J sound? Right, the first rule. That's the more important rule, and the one that many more people remember than the second. So don't assume that a cross section poll of English speakers would prove your view more popular.
You lecture me how dumbing down was a stupid choice of words and then call *me* elitist?
Elitism isn't about intelligence, it's about attitude.
the -gue makes perfect sense to me in this case, and I don't think that replacing one bizarre rule with another makes any sense. But maybe I'm just a dumb foreigner who knows nothing about English.
No one's talking about replacing anything with anything else except y'all who've gotten up in arms about this 'roge' thing. Personally I couldn't care less how you spell it.
But that would be a short I in Sunris then, rhyming with "his".
And for the record, I pronounce rogue ro-gu-e, because that's the pronounciation which fits the spelling. Maybe you should keep the spelling as it is and just change the pronounciation.
Mag, you're my heroine! [If the [u][/u] tags worked, they would identify the E and I as a hard vowels.]
I really don't mean to sound snide or anything when I say this, but there is no 'soft G' sound.
Yes, there is.
G is often an inexplicable stand-in for J, but that sound is nevertheless J rather than G.
And when such is the case, it's called a soft G. See?
There's also that rolling J sound that English has no letter for...
Yes, it does.
... (massage)
See? There it is.
who knows why G was chosen to represent that sound.
Probably a linguist, or a philologist, or an etymologist. Ask any of them if you want to know. The study of languages, and their evolution, is truly fascinating.
I think if we can learn to recognize 'guage' as being pronounced 'gaje,' we can also learn to recognize 'roge,' which is actually spelled the way it sounds.
What, roj? Roga? How is that spelling pronounced, exactly?
English has rules for pronunciation. English also has a long history of taking loan-words from other languages without modifying them (or, when they are "Anglicized", it's more a bastardization than a formal reconstitution into the new language). So it's hard to know whether a word follows the standard rules for English, or some other set. Over time, the two have become one, large, complex body of spelling and pronunciation (not that they are always in synch, or even practised the same across regions; but that's getting into dialects).
Says you and a few other grammar fanatics on an online forum. Me, I say it is there for show, and many people agree with me. Think about this; which rule did you learn first: G makes the G sound, or GU makes the J sound? Right, the first rule. That's the more important rule, and the one that many more people remember than the second. So don't assume that a cross section poll of English speakers would prove your view more popular.
You are aware that very argument can be turned against you, right?
Here's an even better way to look at it, I think. Language is not just about utilitarian communication. Language is also art. Languages have character, evolved over centuries by the people of the cultures who speak them. It reflects their spirit and the way they think. Why eliminate that character? Why destroy the unique art which can only be made in certain languages with their various idiosyncracies? I am an English major, and I love my language. I love it the way it is, and I love the way it can and has evolved. Considering that this would be lost in the alternate spelling, I do consider that a dumbing down. I regard it with the same distaste I regard the current fad of internet slang and texting. Why not encourage intelligence and education, even pride amongst a people, by teaching English speakers to love their language and explore it in all its strangeness; rather than seeking to cripple it by reducing to the lowest common denominator?
No flames intended.
To put it differently: since some people have trouble spelling rogue, they might as well use a simpler spelling. On a D&D forum at least, rogue, rouge and roge are all instantly recognizable so it doesn't make a difference which is used.
l33t speak for teh win!!!1!!shift+1
Says you and a few other grammar fanatics on an online forum.
*** You called? ***
That's lazy, selfish and elitist.
Being elitist is FUN!
P.S. As has been pointed out (futilely) before, the word is G-A-U-G-E, not "guage." And in a thread about spelling! Have you people no shame?
P.P.S. I should never have created this avatar.
Not only is elitism fun, but it joins you to an awesome community which is simultaneously the most democratic society in existence--the dead.
When I saw "guage," I was thinking as in "language." But that's pronounced gwaj (not bothering with the vowel sound).
Not only is elitism fun, but it joins you to an awesome community which is simultaneously the most democratic society in existence--the dead.
I was going to make another avatar, "Undead Stuffy Grammarian," but I couldn't find a zombie librarian picture. And besides, I'm much too lazy (in addition to being elitist and selfish).
That's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
I won't let you use it, though, because I'm too selfish (in addition to being lazy and elitist).
;P (j/k, lol, and all that other stuff)
We keep dumbing things down and we could end up with a new edition of english just like we did of one of my favorite games.
G is often an inexplicable stand-in for J, but that sound is nevertheless J rather than G.And when such is the case, it's called a soft G. See?
In school I was taught that each consonant has one sound. Later I was taught that many letters like to bully other letters out of their proper place for no discernable reason.
... (massage)See? There it is.
I suppose people are now going to try telling me that the S in 'treasure' and the J in 'deja vu' make perfect sense too. Seriously, make that sound out loud and listen to it. Think about your tongue position and the airflow from your throat. That sound is completely distinct from S, J and very much so from G.
What, roj? Roga? How is that spelling pronounced, exactly?
You have three guesses before you lose your right to critisize some hapless forum-goer for his poor grammar. Yeah, I think you're smart enough to figure it out even with only one guess left.
More historical linguistics! More etymology! Less political postmodern BS in English departments!
Easy sense? No. English sense? :)
When I see Roge, I automatically assume that the G is supposed to be soft. So I start wondering what a 'roje' is. The u in Rogue tells me that the g is supposed to be hard.
How romantic!
Thieves do not suck.
Thieves Thieves Thieves Thieves Thieves Thieves Thieves Thieves ...
The whole concept of rogues sux!
Burglars. Just like Mr. Baggins.
Rog would be pronounced like bog, log, fog, dog, jog, grog, hog, cog, frog, etc.
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In school I was taught that each consonant has one sound. Later I was taught that many letters like to bully other letters out of their proper place for no discernable reason.
For no discernable reason other than, oh, I don't know, the rules of the language that have already been set forth (as convoluted as they may be, they are still the rules of the language)...
I'm going to hazard a guess, that if somebody hands you a set of instructions or rules, and you don't like them, you're going to totally disregard them simply because they make no sense to you, or you feel they are invalidated because we are in the 21st century now and anything that is tried and true or older than say 20 years is antiquated and not valid any more...
