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Davi - I'll have to go see watchmen...Any thoughts on a faction to be involved with? They tend to be organized around the religions, although the Family is another obvious choice.
Oh, I definitely recommend it. One word of semi-warning though. The Comedian is a ****ing bastard. So why not play him in an evil game?
Also, working for The Family sounds good.
EDIT: How much starting gold do we get anyway?
ok that's fine about drow..
I'll go with a half-elf wizard worships vecna, can i be a member of the cabal? or do i have to start out not in any orginization?
I expect everyone to be involved with some faction or other (although it's not compulsory) If you worship Vecna (technically illegal, you'll have to maintain a facade of being a Wee Jas worshipper) then the Cabal sounds like a perfect fit.
Davi - I'll have to go see watchmen...Any thoughts on a faction to be involved with? They tend to be organized around the religions, although the Family is another obvious choice.Oh, I definitely recommend it. One word of semi-warning though. The Comedian is a ****ing bastard. So why not play him in an evil game?
Also, working for The Family sounds good.
EDIT: How much starting gold do we get anyway?
Starting gold is 3000GP - you are all citizens and well resourced by your sponsors and private incomes.
to be a barbarian that is related to the ruling family, is that like a feat in and of itself?
It's a feat to be a citizen - all of you are getting that for nothing. Your tribe is a powerful member of the clan - your tribe's chief (who you report to directly) is the Warlord's nephew.
to be a barbarian that is related to the ruling family, is that like a feat in and of itself?
In a manner of speaking - to be a citizen is a feat. As a citizen you can wear armor, wield weapons, go where you like and generally enjoy privileges over most of the residents of Bastion. However, all of you get that for nothing so you don't need to 'budget' for it.
Your tribe is well-connected within the clan - your tribal chief (who you report to directly) is a nephew of the warlord.
My equipment should now be done.
My equipment should now be done.
Looks good - I realise I forgot to mention hit points conventions:
Maximum hit points for your class at level one. On subsequent levels I allow an option - either roll or take half your hit die+1 (ie 6 for a fighter). You have to make a choice and stick to it - based on whether you consider yourself lucky or not, I suppose. Con bonus and any favored class bonus hit points go on top of that.
With regard to background, let me cast my eye over all the characters when they're done and I'll write something up - I need to ensure you all have reason to stick together (especially given there is likely to be at least two chaotic evil PCs...)
OK I had miss posted in another thread...OK so will a Earth Breaker be ok for a weapon?
Are traits in?
OK if it's found out another player is a worshipper of a forbidden god, is it my duty as a citizen to execute them myself?
hey guys I am not at my computer very much this weekend, Easter/Family/work, I am confirming I am in this game and playing a cleric of Hextor, will stat him up soon....
hey guys I am not at my computer very much this weekend, Easter/Family/work, I am confirming I am in this game and playing a cleric of Hextor, will stat him up soon....
Thanks for checking in. There's no rush - I plan to start at the end of the week/next weekend (largely due to easter as well).
OK I had miss posted in another thread...OK so will a Earth Breaker be ok for a weapon?
Are traits in?
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Earth Breaker is fine as a weapon. I dont use traits, no.
Greythorne:
Greythorne is getting closer...
Decided to go with a Heavy Flail, since it can be used to trip and disarm...And Greythorne is a bit of a sadist in that he enjoys capturing enemies int he most painful way possible, sometimes by grappling in his spiked armor or beating them down with his spiked gauntlets...he really likes when his opponents flee and he can hit them with bolas...yeah, he's a bit of a bastich...
Heavy Flail is a Hextorite weapon, that may make 2 of us.....
In the Pathfinder Campaign setting on page 43 under the cleric there is "Holy Warrior" It gives me d10 hit points and the BAB equal to my HD at the cost of sacrificing my domains and domain powers can I take this option.... Unless the Ordained Champion is avaialable at a later time... (I assume Ordained Champ PrC is unavailable for this game)
In the Pathfinder Campaign setting on page 43 under the cleric there is "Holy Warrior" It gives me d10 hit points and the BAB equal to my HD at the cost of sacrificing my domains and domain powers can I take this option.... Unless the Ordained Champion is avaialable at a later time... (I assume Ordained Champ PrC is unavailable for this game)
I'm happy for you to take the holy warrior option. Having said that, the Ordained Champion Prestige Class is perfectly possible.
ok awsome I will take holy warrior AND work towards the ordained champ awsome! thanks for the quick reply Monty :) What would u rule with getting an added domain (WAR) on becoming an Ordained Champ...It would give me 1 domain, I guess I already scarificed 2 to get Holy Warrior option...
Are we able to use Spells from Spell Compendium?
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Are we able to use Spells from Spell Compendium?
I'd prefer not - although would consider them on a case-by-case basis. Some of them are over-powered in my view (or under-levelled, whichever way you look at it).
Sorry I'm having a busy weekend - I'm currently thinking a rogue linked to The Family in some way
No rush - the plan is to start in a week's time. I'll work on the assumption of a family connected rogue for now, but feel free to change radically if you get a different idea...
Ok I'm starting to draw together some backgrounds and so on. In general, I'm happy for you to hand them back and say you dont like them or to modify them in some ways if it doesnt match what you were looking for. I'll spoiler them and post them over the next couple of days for you to comment on them.
I'd like to suggest that people not read other PCs spoilers. There will be conflicting agendas, although you will have common goals and superiors who will not be happy if you fail to meet your primary objectives. I expect you'll enjoy it more if you dont know exactly who in the party is perhaps not quite pulling in the same direction as you.
you could always e mail them to us privately... My cleric of Hextor will be done today, I was wondering if I could have a couple of tailored Magic Items, I want to by a set of +1 armour and have it give me a skill bonus to Intimidate of +2 I want to call this armour "Erinyes' Embrace", I also want to make a helmet that covers half of my cleric's face (the half burnt off by a wizard's acid spell) that gives a +1 to AC and a charisma enhancement of +2, I will buy these at the proper price, I just want to have very flavourful items, like the Large Heavy Flail she uses is named "Hextor's Gavel"
<---Larcifer here, here is Isila, my cleric of Hextor so far, Monty please read her background, I was thinking she may be working with the cabal to help her ascend the ladder of Hextorian rule, to subvert her immediate superior, she also secretly hates Wee Jas, something cause by her deformity...Let me know if this works....
Just saw starting gold....of course I do not have the GP for above mentioned items, but are you ok with tailored Magic items with flavour...?
Just saw starting gold....of course I do not have the GP for above mentioned items, but are you ok with tailored Magic items with flavour...?
No trouble with that when the time comes.
First couple of background suggestions/starting points, I tried to incorporate what I understand your character concepts to be. I'm not precious about these, so use as much or as little of them as you like - if it doesnt gel with what you had in mind, post an alternative or modify is as you see fit (feel free to invent some NPCs of around about equivalent seniority).
The only really desirable parameters are that you have an immediate superior and that you have spent most of your life in Bastion.
Greythorne:
Despite his animosity towards the church, Balkor cannot deny that the warlord has ruled successfully for more than thirty years. Consequently, the tribe is stuck with the current order – the warlord rules, aided and supported by the church of Hextor. It would be lunacy to challenge the warlord’s authority currently, at least directly – his network of allies, agents and spies would destroy anyone who moved against him. Nonetheless, Balkor often works behind the scenes, uncovering instances of Hextorite failings and working to undermine their authority when he thinks he can get away with it.
Gradually, Balkor hopes to persuade the other tribal chiefs that the current situation is a sign of the warlord’s weakness and that he should be replaced. When that happens, Greythorne knows that Balkor will need trusted lieutenants and, at least for now, is a valued agent of the tribal chief.
Isila:
Rather than acting as a barrister, Isila discovered and exposed an active cell of the Cabal, revealing them to the priests of Wee Jas. Mandilant was the leader of the cell and escaped capture, pursuing Isila to punish her for revealing her knowledge of the secret society. He then fled and is still alive, in hiding somewhere. After her accident, Isila went to the church of Wee Jas for healing magic and was turned away – mocked for her scarred face and denied treatment due to her inability to pay.
The church of Hextor offered to treat her scarring in exchange for a lifetime of service. She devoted herself to following Hextor, although the healing she received was subtly flawed and incomplete, resulting in her current disfigurement. Since then, her slightly maniacal devotion and ruthlessness has resulted in Isila’s rapid promotion through the church. In general, clerics progress through political machination and scheming – Isila’s preferred route to supremacy has been to be named an Ordained Champion of Hextor. A member of the Order of Tyrants. Such an event is rare, there are only thirty or forty current Champions – each considered outside the church hierarchy, serving Hextor directly and granted an enhanced, if slightly unorthodox, authority in that role.
Her current superior is Elbaron the Dark – a cloistered cleric with a web of agents and spies throughout Bastion, working on promoting his own cause within the church through political schemes and alliances. Although disdainful of the aging cleric, Isila recognises that he will provide a powerful ally for her in the future – even if ultimately he ends up her vassal, rather than the other way around. In the meantime, she works according to his directives – in order to be named an Ordained Champion, she needs to be nominated by a cleric of at least seventh level. If such a nomination is unopposed, she must then also endure a trial of knowledge, strength and pain.
She still has a little way to go before being ready to undertake that ordeal, nonetheless, Isila’s path has been progressing rapidly over the last few years and it will not be long before she is inducted into the order. In the meantime, she fulfils the orders of her superior biding her time before calling in the debt she feels he will owe her.
The other three are on the way, I'm waiting to see what Kayos comes up with before nailing it down, but I'm thinking of a family enforcer for Werdred - how does that sound Davi? For Cyphitisis - a member of the Cabal, posing as a follower of Wee Jas (and hence legally allowed to practise magic), but really a devotee of Vecna. Still mulling that one over though...
As I said, I like to make some suggestions tying backgrounds to the campaign - I'm not precious about them though, if they dont suit, let me know what you'd like changed.
Here's a start for the rogue, my current idea is roughly;
Kayos.
That works great Monty, I will make the adjustments...
Note, I retooled Greythorne a little bit...(does he have to have barbarian class to be a barbarian in your world?, or can he be a fighter in the culture?) No longer does he have the heavy flail...disgusting hextorite weapon....(j/k)...he plans on using the spiked chain to attempt trip and disarm in a round...or possibly double trip...
I'm thinking of a family enforcer for Werdred - how does that sound Davi?
That sounds just fine and dandy to me. Now, just to write a background.
A starting point or suggestion for Werdred and Elsebeth. Let me know if you'd like me to flesh it out more, if you'd like to modify some of it, or if there's any other change you'd like.
Elsebeth:
Her life changed dramatically when she was twelve and Cambria took a new wife who bore him a daughter, Vionelle. From that moment, Elsebeth’s privileged position was usurped by his new baby girl. Cambria was no longer content to keep Elsebeth in the luxury to which she had become accustomed. He put her to work, initially as a thief – a role she fulfilled with some ability, but without any love.
Her great value to the family, came when Cambria put her to work as a spy and conwoman. He would often use his daughter as a means to seek information or access to some of Bastion’s wealthy, older men. In his role within the family, he often has need of an agent who is not well known as a member of the criminal network. Elsebeth is often assigned these espionage roles – sometimes with a view to blackmailing the target and other times just to obtain information.
Resentful of her younger sister, Elsebeth has so far devoted herself to such tasks in an effort to win back the favoured status she used to enjoy at her father’s side.
Werdred:
Your role as an enforcer has been to intimidate/beat/kill those members of the family who fail to turn over the required amount. Occasionally, you have been called upon to punish an unaffiliated burglar – the preferred revenge is to have them captured and turned over to the church of Erythnul for sacrifice, however Werdred has also been responsible for more than one death.
I can flesh this out more if you’d like or leave it to you, whichever suits...
Cyphitisis:
Let me know what you're thinking..
Well, I really only came up with that much anyway. If you want to expand on it, feel free. If you don't, it's still about as good as I would of written.
Note, I retooled Greythorne a little bit...(does he have to have barbarian class to be a barbarian in your world?, or can he be a fighter in the culture?) No longer does he have the heavy flail...disgusting hextorite weapon....(j/k)...he plans on using the spiked chain to attempt trip and disarm in a round...or possibly double trip...
Sorry, I missed this question it seems. He does need to have at least one rank of barbarian, however he can multiclass if you like (such a thing marks you as different - perhaps more useful to your superiors, but you would lose some respect amongst your peers). How does the background I posted up above sound?
Well, I really only came up with that much anyway. If you want to expand on it, feel free. If you don't, it's still about as good as I would of written.
Werdred:
You are well aware that he often skims money from these family businesses for his own purposes - his power and influence is actually far above what one would expect from his rank within the family. Nonethelss, were that ever to be discovered, the family would probably have him eliminated. As a trusted agent and ally of his (you often assist him with enforcement duties involving these unsanctioned operations. You are also often a recipient of the skimmed funds) you would be in serious trouble if his theft was ever discovered.
You are technically an agent of the family and have to comply with their edicts. Nonetheless, you are also involved in a number of secret and forbidden side-ventures which pay for the large house in the royal quarter and your privileged lifestyle.
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I'm happy for you to fill in some of the stuff about when she joined the Cabal
but here is an idea of how she joined
Her 'Father' was One of the Barbarians who wanted a male heir so when he got her he wasn't pleased and she was thrown out on the street. her mother an elven woman. tried to help her as much as she could bringing her food or blankets whenever possible though her 'Father' still wanted A male so she generally grew up on her own. developing her magical abilities under the Cabal whom she joined as soon as she realized that was who she was, a wizard...
She heard of her mother being slain as her second child was another Female she doesn't know the fate of her sister, Because of them killing her mother and possibly killing or dooming her sister she hates the Barbarians who rule this city...
And still seeks to find the fate of her sister..
OK I'm happy for you to make up the stuff about the sister as it would probably be more fun for me if i didn't know. and I'm sure i got some of the stuff wrong abut the city so change anything necessary, probably not one of my best backgrounds...
Note, I retooled Greythorne a little bit...(does he have to have barbarian class to be a barbarian in your world?, or can he be a fighter in the culture?) No longer does he have the heavy flail...disgusting hextorite weapon....(j/k)...he plans on using the spiked chain to attempt trip and disarm in a round...or possibly double trip...Sorry, I missed this question it seems. He does need to have at least one rank of barbarian, however he can multiclass if you like (such a thing marks you as different - perhaps more useful to your superiors, but you would lose some respect amongst your peers). How does the background I posted up above sound?
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How is Cyphitisis coming along? We're pretty much ready to start once she's finished.
Cyphitisis:
Greythorne is ready..
I paid for both sides of my spiked chain to be MW, that's correct? or do you only need to pay once for the chain? but have to enchant each side separately?
Greythorne is ready..
I paid for both sides of my spiked chain to be MW, that's correct? or do you only need to pay once for the chain? but have to enchant each side separately?
The latter - you only need to pay once (as I read the rules, anyhow)
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Hi guys, sorry I've been so quiet. I've been quite unwell and had a trip to the doctors and my husband has been really bad - he's injured his back and as such I'm helping him a lot and tend not to have the time to sit and work on a good post. Today is our wedding anniversary and we have a trip to the doctors planned to get the wound looked at whilst we await an appointment for him to have surgery. We are having dire luck this year!
I promise to get back to posting asap!