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General Discussion (Prerelease)

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I have not been to the site in months. But I had a stake in putting out my ideas for improving the game and what not a while ago.

What was resolved on these issues:
1. Multi-Classing

The +1/2 level thing for class features? Was that discussed or adopted?

2. High Level Play

I know save or suck/die spells were lessened, what about skill, BAB, and save extremes that really show up at higher levels?

Thanks, I am interested.


We haven't heard anything about multiclassing.

As for high level play: I'm quite sure that skills, BAB and saves will remain the same throughout the 20 core levels - no "after level 10, your fighter only gets 1/2 BAB" or anything like that.

There won't be automatic skill ranks or anything like that, either.


Essentially no additional rules were released on those topics.

They were *MUCH* debated however, among many other things, and Jason was paying attention to all of it. One likely change for instance appears to be some form of iterative attacks as a standard action (with BAB +11).

But any changes will be released with the final rules, or in Blog snippets along the way, just as the final forms of everything else will.

It's miserable waiting for it 'til August (or June if you go to PaizoCon for a sneak-peek), but I'm quite sure it will be worth it.

I agree with Kaeyoss, probably no huge changes to the player-created extremes of high level. It seems to be their focus to change how drastic the effects of those extremes are (save or die going to save or OUCH!, etc.)

I have my own pet rules that I would love to see implemented, but I think everyone will simply have to try out the game, and see how it actually runs. There is simply no way to account for the effect of all the changes on high or any other level play.

Sovereign Court

I suppose any dramatic changes are not what this revision is about. PF needs to function well with 3.5 rules. There are ways to address those issues without the game becoming too computability jarring. Hopefully one of those avenues was taken or at the least given lip service. These were the fundamental flaws of 3e imo.

Thanks for the info, I eagerly await its release.

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