The Book 'bout the elves in Golarion was great...
The Dwarfs need one as well.
Playing a Dwarf with not much of a Golorion specific background su- well, it doesn't suck, but..
What about Janderhoff, what's going on there? playing through RotRL, I guess that's where a dwarven character might come from.
"Races of Stone" is great for dwarven culture (I think Jason said earlier, that it's not that different from Golarion?) But the "Who"/"Where"/"What's different" - we still need that.
Am I the only one who needs a shot of dwarf? Please, tell me that I'm not insane, nor alone in my quest for Dwarven Lore!
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i second that.
we need to know more about golarion dwarves.
"dwarven deep" is still my favorite forgotten realms book, something like that would be great
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I dunno, maybe we need one about humans. I'm having trouble getting into character when I play a human.
Humans are essentially a blank slate. they are the most flexibly universally adaptable race. however i too have ahard time filling that slate. (when i do, it is often culturally innapropraite. such as an adolescent female rokuganese ninja [ young "Barely" adult female human rogue]in the middle of the city of cauldron. i've only played 3.5 D&D though. i'd love to try pathfinder. or for a similar example, a L/G Dwarf Cleric of heironious who wields a longsword, he wore a necklace carved from the left pinkies of every demon or devil he slew. for each one, he added to the necklace. he also made bracelets with those pinkies he couldn't fit. he specifically took "left" pinkies. he lived in cauldron also and became the high priest of heironious.)
Dwarf Book, Gnome Book, Halfling Book :) Want 'em all :) And of course, a Paizo take on Tieflings!
This topic seems so familiar...
Yeah there is already a thread about this in the companion forum named Pathfinder Companion Dwarves of Golarion, just FYI.
Oops- didn't know that. Will check it out- thanks.
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The Gnome book needs to come first. And the Halfling book. And maybe all the other books. Dwarves are dwarves are dwarves. But gnomes have the great new ex-fey angle, and the whole bleaching thing going on, and halflings now are the opportunistic, lucky human tag-alongs. I'd much rather have something about those races than a book that tells me how dwarves like their beards, and alcohol, and stone and metal.
Kae'Yoss:
Even if you think that Paizo hasn't done anything 'new' with Dwarves in comparison to the brand-new Gnomes*, it doesn't follow that they would just publish a book about Dwarves which is full of clichéd stereotypes. You should give yourself a chance to get to like Dwarves, even if you don't do so right now.
* I'd disagree with you here already.
I'm playing a dwarf druid in Second Darkness right now, and after reading about dwarves in the PFCS book, I'm going to have to buy myself a hammer and chisel so I can get some good ol' Dwarf Dungeon Tagging going on. Eternal glory, carved into the lowest corner of a dungeon! Woo!
So, yeah, the dwarves of Golarion definitely have some neat new flavor, even if they are still largely the same as every other setting's dwarves... I'd be all for a book fleshing them out (I might steal it for ideas to give to my own setting's dwarves, who are a weird cross between the Norse and Shogunate era Japanese).
~grabs everyone and shoves them back into my thread, The Dwarves of Golarian~ Get back in there!
~GRINS~
Cough.
I'm sure it wasn't the dragon using the correct, Tolkien spelling of the race in question! Or me!
Runs for the trees.
Yay, dwarves, like elves need this book, because they have so much dilution in other fantasy worlds/products.
The Book 'bout the elves in Golarion was great...
The Dwarfs need one as well.
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Hmmm.... Golarion racial books... me likey!
Even if you think that Paizo hasn't done anything 'new' with Dwarves in comparison to the brand-new Gnomes*
I'm not saying that they haven't done anything new with them - they went and spelled out that there is no enmity between elves and dwarves on Golarion, and for that alone they deserve the RPG Originality Award, and there's certainly other stuff, too - I still say that of all the races, dwarves have the least new stuff going for them, and thus gnomes and halflings, who are a lot more changed, should get a book first. The fact that there are certainly a lot more books about dwarves out there than there are about gnomes only reinforces that.
You should give yourself a chance to get to like Dwarves
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
I wasn't completely serious, mind you. I don't really hate dwarves, or dislike dwarves. I just dislike most of the players I've seen play dwarves, and a bunch of authors who wrote about them. The same's true for elves, though not to quite that extent (I had a lot less bad elf players than I had bad dwarf players).
On the other hand, wouldn't a book on dwarFs include both gnomes and halflings, as well as dwarves?
;)
And pointing out the dropping of the enmity between elves and dwarves was worthwhile. It's been a staple, a sacred cow even, but it really only makes sense given the Tolkien mythos, which doesn't need to be in place in every fantasy world. (Yeah, take this kind of admission from a Tolkein fan when you can get it.)
I'm a huge fan of the dropping elf-dwarf rivalry, its a refreshing breath. And Taldor/Qadira, Cheliax/Andoran, Qadira/Osirion, theres plenty of room for conflict and racial enmity, adn thats just among the PF Society nations!
I'm a huge fan of the dropping elf-dwarf rivalry, its a refreshing breath. And Taldor/Qadira, Cheliax/Andoran, Qadira/Osirion, theres plenty of room for conflict and racial enmity, adn thats just among the PF Society nations!
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I'm a huge fan of the dropping elf-dwarf rivalry, its a refreshing breath. And Taldor/Qadira, Cheliax/Andoran, Qadira/Osirion, theres plenty of room for conflict and racial enmity, adn thats just among the PF Society nations!
We have a huge Cheliax-Andoran rivalry. It would be amazing for the dwarves and elves to have just a competition style mentality instead of the age-old stupidity (not wanting to hate on great reads from the past which started this stuff) that this world, too, must have its Dwarf-Elf rivalry. I can honestly see the PF nations being totally front and center with their hatred and animosity.
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neeeeeeed Gnome book, (and at will gnome spell like abilities *cough*) we need nuanced roleplaying guides for the Dwarves, everyone seems to be playing THE SAME DWARF. I swear, can some dwarf clans focus on ale, while an other clan likes to talk about crushing goblin heads?
at least the Dwarf players are roleplaying, elf characters are just smart or nimble humans who like to tell you how much longer their lifespan is.
we need nuanced roleplaying guides for the Dwarves, everyone seems to be playing THE SAME DWARF.
Ah, so I'm not alone. About 90% of the dwarves I've seen played were the same. A lot of them were min/maxed to boot.
The other 10% were mostly played by newbloods (who didn't know about powergaming and the age-old cliché) or, in one instance, by myself, when I wanted to show people that you can play dwarves differently.
at least the Dwarf players are roleplaying, elf characters are just smart or nimble humans who like to tell you how much longer their lifespan is.
I did get several "I'm so much better than you in everything" elves, often by the same few people, but the actual roleplaying there was a lot heavier.
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On the other hand, wouldn't a book on dwarFs include both gnomes and halflings, as well as dwarves?
;)
And pointing out the dropping of the enmity between elves and dwarves was worthwhile. It's been a staple, a sacred cow even, but it really only makes sense given the Tolkien mythos, which doesn't need to be in place in every fantasy world. (Yeah, take this kind of admission from a Tolkein fan when you can get it.)
As a big fan of gnomes and halflings, I was incredibly disappointed when, in 2nd edition, TSR bundled those two races into one book. I've got faith that our writers can fill an entire book of cool content on ANY race. No need to bundle anyone together.
As a big fan of gnomes and halflings, I was incredibly disappointed when, in 2nd edition, TSR bundled those two races into one book. I've got faith that our writers can fill an entire book of cool content on ANY race. No need to bundle anyone together.On the other hand, wouldn't a book on dwarFs include both gnomes and halflings, as well as dwarves?
;)
And pointing out the dropping of the enmity between elves and dwarves was worthwhile. It's been a staple, a sacred cow even, but it really only makes sense given the Tolkien mythos, which doesn't need to be in place in every fantasy world. (Yeah, take this kind of admission from a Tolkien fan when you can get it.)
You're right, of course...it was disappointing...just bein' a wizenheimer. Your writers also know how to spell "dwarves"...
heck 3e put gnomes, dwarves and other "stone" races in one book.
To be fair, they did that with all the races
No need to bundle anyone together.
So when are you unbundling them?
Cause you know you totally walked into this one. :p