| Mhagus |
I have a PC that thinks if enemies don't take AOO from being moved around, then players shouldn't have to either. Is this fair?
1) If a player grapples and then moves an enemy combatant, does the enemy take AOOs from the player's party? (If the grappling player moves out of another enemies threatened area, does the grappling player take an AOO?)
2) If a player (not being threatened) grabs another player (that IS being threatened) and drags them, does anyone take an AOO?
And finally a rule clarification: If you initiate the grapple and succeed, are both the grappler and graplee considered to be in a grappled state? Are there any penalties/bonuses for outside parties when attacking grappled combatants? Can someone that is in a grappled state break grapple as a quick action or only the person that initiated the grapple? (once again, the same player is arguing this point, because it doesn't explicitly say in the rulebook)
/frustrated.
| Iczer |
I have a PC that thinks if enemies don't take AOO from being moved around, then players shouldn't have to either. Is this fair?
1) If a player grapples and then moves an enemy combatant, does the enemy take AOOs from the player's party? (If the grappling player moves out of another enemies threatened area, does the grappling player take an AOO?)
2) If a player (not being threatened) grabs another player (that IS being threatened) and drags them, does anyone take an AOO?
And finally a rule clarification: If you initiate the grapple and succeed, are both the grappler and graplee considered to be in a grappled state? Are there any penalties/bonuses for outside parties when attacking grappled combatants? Can someone that is in a grappled state break grapple as a quick action or only the person that initiated the grapple? (once again, the same player is arguing this point, because it doesn't explicitly say in the rulebook)
/frustrated.
1) technically yes. a movment that is not a 5 foot step, or a withdraw action (such as being moved against your will) provokes. The grapplers themselves cannot take AoO though.
2) if A grapples B and then moves B though a threatend area then
a) provokes an AoO from B, presuiming B can actually make an AoO
b) Both A and B provike AoO from the movement, but cannot perform AoO of their own (you do not threaten when grappling)
as for your final concern, when grappling, all participants are grappling.
IIRC, there are no specific bonuses or penalties when attcking grapplers, except to note that being in a grappled state reduces your dex by 4, obviously affecting the target's AC.
D&D 3.5 had a rule at one point that firing into a grapple meant that there was a 50% chance of striking the wrong grappler (IE a friend). I'm, not sure if this stacked on top of 'firing into melee' and possibly 'firing through an occupied square (cover)'
the effects of a grappled condition can be found in the pathfinder glossary (page 400 of the beta release PDF)
Batts