
Jeremy Hansen |

Does a Human 1st level fighter start with 3 feats? In the fighter table it says the fighter gets a bonus feat but in the description it says the fighter gets 1 at each level, is the 1st level bonus feat on top the standard first level feat. Ie 2, meaning then a 1st level human fighter would start with 3 feats.
Thanks

Jeremy Hansen |

yes, a human Fighter should have 3 feats, 1 for first level, 1 as a bonus Fighter feat (chosen from the Fighter bonus feat list) and 1 from being a human. (you should also ask if you can get a weapon focus out of your useless free martial weapon proficiency from being a human... just advise)
I see what you mean. Has there been an unofficial ruling from Paizo on that? If not I was think of allowing a human fighter to select one exotic weapon to be proficient with. Does that seem reasonable?

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It's no different than an Elf Fighter not benefitting from his sword/bow bonus proficiencies.
I don't think there will be any changes for the Human's bonus proficiency unless a complete change is done to racial proficiencies.
ah, but the elf gets access to any exotic weapon that has "elf" in the name as a martial weapon prof. so most other races get something out of being a warrior type (still trying to find a paizo weapon that has "halfling" in the name...)

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Kaisoku wrote:ah, but the elf gets access to any exotic weapon that has "elf" in the name as a martial weapon prof. so most other races get something out of being a warrior type (still trying to find a paizo weapon that has "halfling" in the name...)It's no different than an Elf Fighter not benefitting from his sword/bow bonus proficiencies.
I don't think there will be any changes for the Human's bonus proficiency unless a complete change is done to racial proficiencies.
anything? any refutes?

Darwin |
Sneaksy Dragon wrote:anything? any refutes?Kaisoku wrote:ah, but the elf gets access to any exotic weapon that has "elf" in the name as a martial weapon prof. so most other races get something out of being a warrior type (still trying to find a paizo weapon that has "halfling" in the name...)It's no different than an Elf Fighter not benefitting from his sword/bow bonus proficiencies.
I don't think there will be any changes for the Human's bonus proficiency unless a complete change is done to racial proficiencies.
humans are already a very very strong race in comparison, bonus skill point, bonus feat, and now bonus WP. It may be more of an argument for an Elf Nerf as opposed to more buffs for humans.

delslow |

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/design/barbarianFighterRanger/fighterWeaponTrainingNameOfAbility&pag e=1&source=rss#765731
Well,
Little spoiler here. The human lost that particular racial ability. I will endeavor to rename the rogue talent. Hopefully, that should clear up this particular confusion.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Jason's has previously said it was more of a "flavor" thing. Human weapon prof. has been removed.
-delslow

Kaisoku |

Sneaksy Dragon wrote:anything? any refutes?Kaisoku wrote:ah, but the elf gets access to any exotic weapon that has "elf" in the name as a martial weapon prof. so most other races get something out of being a warrior type (still trying to find a paizo weapon that has "halfling" in the name...)It's no different than an Elf Fighter not benefitting from his sword/bow bonus proficiencies.
I don't think there will be any changes for the Human's bonus proficiency unless a complete change is done to racial proficiencies.
Nothing to refute. Elves still get something that is useless when they are a Fighter, you didn't prove me wrong. All that was said was that they get additional things that aren't useless as a Fighter.
There are other things that can be useless based on certain class choices. Elven Magic is useless to any character who doesn't get any levels in a casting class.
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I guess this discussion is over at this point though, considering the current talk is that it's being removed anyways.